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Title: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on August 11, 2021, 11:44:12 pm
So I recently replaced my drain hoses with Valterra EZ Coupler 20-Foot RV Sewer Hose Kit, Universal Sewer Hose
Amazon.com: Valterra EZ Coupler 20-Foot RV Sewer Hose Kit, Universal Sewer... (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BGK2QA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) And I installed a new additional blade valve
Amazon.com: Valterra T50 3" Hub x 3" Bay with Cap Valve Assembly,Black:... (https://www.amazon.com/Valterra-T50-Hub-Valve-Assembly/dp/B00594B1KA/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Valterra+Valve&qid=1628739092&s=automotive&sr=1-5)

Amazon.com: Valterra T1023 ClearView Hose Adapter - 90°: Automotive (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006MRQRM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Did a prewash before we leave Friday and it worked great except I already have a leak in the middle of the hose. Was so pleased with myself till I saw the stream. What a disappointment. The valve works great. My other issue is I'm unable to store were the old hose was stored, that I can fix. Put a dab of RTV736 red to fix leak
Scott
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: hdff on August 12, 2021, 08:37:35 am
Where did you install the 3rd valve? I want to add one but I don't have much pipe after I remove the old fitting.



Keith
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on August 12, 2021, 09:56:45 am
We used the Dominator hoses. We have had then for 7 years now, very tough, no leaks.  They compress to about 40" long, easy storage. We have 3 10k sections.

Keith, the 2001 coach has more pipe and room for a third valve. 
Recent third dump valve installations (split from another topic) (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=25056.msg197677#msg197677)
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on August 12, 2021, 10:38:55 am
Keith mine looks almost exactly as Rogers, except his is several hundred percent more primped. I still have dust from Arkansas in that compartment and others.
Scott
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Peter on August 12, 2021, 12:56:35 pm
The third valve is about the best thing you can add to your sewage/waste water operation not only does it give you assurance in case one fails but it is great for flushing the black tank occasionally
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Peter on August 12, 2021, 01:00:51 pm
Sorry.  Forgot my pics attached
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: oldguy on August 12, 2021, 01:05:38 pm
If the third valve is leaking it only takes minutes to change the seals.
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on August 12, 2021, 01:08:33 pm
If the third valve is leaking it only takes minutes to change the seals.
Lol it will never leak too easy to work on. Belts and suspenders mentality. I like.
Scott
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Michelle on August 12, 2021, 04:58:32 pm
Where did you install the 3rd valve? I want to add one but I don't have much pipe after I remove the old fitting.

 With a 2003, verify fitment first and see how much you have to (and can) cut off of the existing waste piping, especially if you intend to leave the dump hose attached and want to close the utility bay door. 
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: WS6_Keith on September 16, 2021, 12:03:05 pm
I'm unable to store were the old hose was stored, that I can fix. Put a dab of RTV736 red to fix leak
Scott
What's your plan here Scott?  I too have the Valterra hose and connections and it doesn't fit into the OE hose tube. 

Since I have to remove the wet bay panel to get to the fill hose check valve, I'm contemplating adding this third valve to do away with the Thetford adapter I have to use now, which leaks if I don't push against it to make a seal.  PITA. 
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on September 16, 2021, 12:51:20 pm
So i purchased hoses that i won't recommend. But really like the third valve. The hoses i currently own are rolled up and stored in front of the faucet. Still haven made storage tube larger to store hose but will when we return. Just planning on going to a little larger size storage tubing and duplicating what is currently installed
Amazon.com: Valterra EZ Coupler 20-Foot RV Sewer Hose Kit, Universal Sewer... (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BGK2QA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Scott
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on September 16, 2021, 12:53:59 pm
With a 2003, verify fitment first and see how much you have to (and can) cut off of the existing waste piping, especially if you intend to leave the dump hose attached and want to close the utility bay door. 
Yes the length is critical. I had 90 degree installed too while fitting. Can close door when hooked up or use without 90
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: WS6_Keith on September 16, 2021, 01:06:37 pm
Scott, check out this post:  Sanitation hose (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=38524.msg375191#msg375191)

This guy never really explained or showed what this thing does, but it sounds like you can enlarge the opening to make the larger hoses fit the existing tube?
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Dutchman56 on September 16, 2021, 01:18:58 pm
Hey Scott, we just met Lynn and Marilyn Sickle. We are staying at H&G RV Park in their boondocking section. Just wanted to say hello. We are picking up an Incinerator Toilet tomorrow in Little Rock and hopefully will find a place to have it installed. Lynn said you replaced your toilet too. They seem to be a bothersome appliance. Lol.
Shari DeRuyter
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Michelle on September 16, 2021, 01:37:21 pm
Since I have to remove the wet bay panel to get to the fill hose check valve, I'm contemplating adding this third valve to do away with the Thetford adapter I have to use now, which leaks if I don't push against it to make a seal.  PITA. 

Check your clearances with a 2003 - we never did a third valve on ours because reports were on that era coach, the bay door couldn't be closed with a hose attached to the third valve.  Not an issue if you don't mind not being able to leave the sewer hose attached, but since we would spend a month or so at one location, we liked to leave the hose set up and grey valve open for laundry.
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on September 16, 2021, 03:27:13 pm
Hey Scott, we just met Lynn and Marilyn Sickle. We are staying at H&G RV Park in their boondocking section. Just wanted to say hello. We are picking up an Incinerator Toilet tomorrow in Little Rock and hopefully will find a place to have it installed. Lynn said you replaced your toilet too. They seem to be a bothersome appliance. Lol.
Shari DeRuyter
Marilyn and Lynn are as good as people get IMO. I actually never imagined they made a Incinerator toilet. I'm quite curious how well it ends up working. Hopefully you will post links and install info. I doubt i would redesign to accommodate but it is interesting. I never had one problem with our electronic toilet, but 20 old plastic and electronics were always on my mind. Pure mechanical now!
Scott
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on September 16, 2021, 03:57:11 pm
Kieth
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Charlotte-Pipe-6-in-x-6-in-dia-90-Degree-PVC-Schedule-40-Hub-Elbow-Fitting/3134653. $32
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Charlotte-Pipe-6-in-x-10-ft-Sch-40-Cellcore-PVC-DWV-Pipe/3135431    $48
That's all I'm planning on.. Same location.
Scott
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Michelle on September 16, 2021, 05:25:52 pm
Kieth
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Charlotte-Pipe-6-in-x-6-in-dia-90-Degree-PVC-Schedule-40-Hub-Elbow-Fitting/3134653. $32
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Charlotte-Pipe-6-in-x-10-ft-Sch-40-Cellcore-PVC-DWV-Pipe/3135431    $48

Changing out the OEM ABS waste plumbing lines to PVC?
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: dsd on September 16, 2021, 05:40:59 pm
Changing out the OEM ABS waste plumbing lines to PVC?
Storage container for hoses. The Valterra fitting wont fit into standard storage too wide
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on September 16, 2021, 05:52:54 pm
I have 30 ft of sewer hose, 3 of  these Amazon.com: Valterra D04-0200 Dominator 10' Extension Hose : Everything Else (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B002N5PO2Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Usually only need one or two but once in a while all three.

10 ft compresses to 39" and stays there. An end cap at each end seals them up.  Pretty easy to stow at that size.
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: WS6_Keith on September 16, 2021, 07:25:49 pm
10 ft compresses to 39" and stays there. An end cap at each end seals them up.  Pretty easy to stow at that size.

The length isn't the issue, the diameter is. The Valterra hose ends won't fit into the tube in my coach.
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Peter on September 21, 2021, 11:13:06 pm
I too have the third valve installed on my unit. It as not hard at all to install. My question though is there is a locked cover on the right side by the black and grey valves exiting to the drivers side tire/airbag location. The cover is square and the hole is round. (see several pics)
Is this another sewer hose exit (or could it be??) With the third valve installed and the right angle adapter put on (required) my hose exits directly out the bottom, resulting in poor flow to the sewage inlet (the hose actually exits and lies on the ground so if the sewage input is higher, I have to raise the hose from time to time to empty.)

The second pic is of someone elses coach but still shows the exit to the right.
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on September 21, 2021, 11:42:54 pm
My question...there is a locked cover on the right side...
The cover is square and the hole is round.
Why don't you just open the cover and look inside?  You should be looking down a length of PVC pipe.  Storage tube for sewer hose?

Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Peter on September 22, 2021, 06:55:19 am
The cover is exactly that  It outlets to the drivers side wheel well. I will get some other pics and post
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: rbark on September 22, 2021, 12:09:03 pm
That's a storage compartment for your hose
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Peter on September 22, 2021, 01:16:03 pm
The panel just opens to the wheel well. Pics included
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: oldguy on September 22, 2021, 02:12:32 pm
Looks like the pvc tubing has bee removed
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on September 22, 2021, 04:51:25 pm
Perhaps the storage tube broke off or fell off.

I have read reports on the Forum that Valterra sewer hose end connectors are too big to fit into that storage tube, so perhaps no great loss?

Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: WS6_Keith on September 22, 2021, 05:31:30 pm
I have read reports on the Forum that Valterra sewer hose end connectors are too big to fit into that storage tube, so perhaps no great loss?

That is correct, Valterra hose ends will not go into the tube.
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on September 22, 2021, 07:08:37 pm
Since the hole in the bay wall is already cut out, I would think it not too difficult to install a modified (larger diameter) tube that would accept the Valterra fittings.  Use either larger diameter PVC pipe (kinda heavy), or perhaps some aluminum air conditioning ducting (lighter).  Shame not to use the available space under the coach for some purpose.

Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: craneman on September 22, 2021, 07:25:13 pm
I believe it is the elbow that is the problem not the diameter of the tube. I am going to experiment with an ABS elbow and see if my end will make the turn.
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Chris m lang on September 22, 2021, 10:06:22 pm
I have tried to put my tubing through the hole but ends won't fit.  Have been looking at getting a 8" cover and adapting it to 6" sewer and drain pipe.  The tubing on our coach is thickness of sewer and drain it is not Schedule 40.
7" would work but I haven't been able to find a 7" cover.
Chris
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: Peter on September 22, 2021, 10:24:08 pm
 It sure about being a storage tube. Which way does it have to go except straight back beside the tire?
Peter
Title: Re: Third drain valve
Post by: oldguy on September 22, 2021, 10:36:07 pm
First is a 90 degree elbow and then it goes across the  coach.