Wanting to hear feedback from anyone that has been running Toyo 295/75/22.5, I've read of many on many forums that have run the TOYO M177 and state that they are great tires. I am out shopping for a set of 6 at the moment and noticed a few sites that also offer the M170. Now if you look at the overall specs on the TOYO website, with exception of some incredibly minor differences they are near identical tires. The big diff is about $100 per tire less for the M170. The 170 appears to visually be a more agressive tread pattern, but also claims to be a quieter running tire.
Is there anyone out there that have used these and can give any feedback as to a noticed difference in performance?
Thanks, Mike
Well maybe
I purchased the M177 H rated mainly for the front load numbers. 7160lbs single rating. Rear are overkill but makes me feel secure. So my total usage before i replaced them was 120 miles at 25 mph on farm roads. I like the M177 and am very happy with my purchase. My original plan is to trade them in at five years and am told they will still hold half there value and replace with new. Chris Lang told be about a farm COOP and I had them order them in advance and I save hundreds. I may even drive to Arkansas when they come do up again and do the same. Yes they are truck tires, but I dont know any better.
Scott
Lonoke County Co-Op, Inc. (https://lonokecountycooperative.com/)
Don't be afraid of Toyo tires, been in US for 50 years, great tires.
Running Michelin currently, but would put on Toyos in a heartbeat. Sold them to OTR truckers 40 years ago. Very few problems. Just checked with sons of gentleman I worked for them, they are still selling them and have nothing but praise for the tires and company. They still sell Michelin heavy truck as well FWIW.
Not afraid of Toyo and have heard they are great tires, just wondering has anyone run the M170 which is about $100 less cost than the M177 with same specs.
Sorry Mike, misread the question!
May want to consider the M137, 15/32 tread depth means less rolling resistance and heat buildup. Available in 14 and 16 ply. Very pleased with Toyo's over the years.
M137 Extreme Long Haul Commercial Steer Tire | Toyo Tires (https://www.toyotires.com/commercial-truck/tire/pattern/m137-extreme-long-haul-steer-tire)
No problem Tim,
Doug,
Not a bad option, but all 5 sources Ive been shopping have zero in stock. The M177 and M170 seem to be in stock just about anywhere. Yes any tire installer can get anything. But I install all my own, I have all the tools and the time. I'll be buying these myself and picking up at the local freight hauler.
I am a Firm Toyo tire believer. I currently have M177 295/75R22.5 Load Range H on Front, and M147 295/75R22.5 Load Range G on the Rear. Fronts are two years old, and the Rears are five years old. No Problems, Rides and steers great... ^.^d
Mike when I was sourcing tires everyone online seemed as hi online as some of the local shops and the coop was much more affordable than everyone and installed for free.
We are running the Toyo M170 295/75R22.5 Load Range H and are pleased. They hold air, ride smooth, great wet traction, are black, can't ask for more. They will age out before they wear out the tread.
Mike
I run the M137's due to the shallower tread depth. So a bit less tread squirm.
Scott,
I tried to call my Co-op today but could never get an answer. I'm off mid week, I'll stop by and ask in person. I used to by mudgrips there for my old hunting truck, but never gave thought to them on this. However, I know my co-op no longer mounts any. I have found the M170 in stock online at several places around $408 - $429, free shipping to the house or local freight terminal. No places in my town mount these size tires, I would have to go to Montgomery, all I called wanted $70 per to mount and about $600 each for the M177.
Mike thanks for that feedback. Compared to any others you may have run, how do they compare for noise? just curious due to the non slick nature of the center treads. Like you feel they will time out before they wear out. They do have a bit deeper tread than the M177.
Mike,
1. Well compared to Bib & Bubbles brand I haven't been able to tell any noise difference. We have removed the carpet and replaced it with bamboo planks so noise was a concern. As far as other brands you will need feedback from someone that has run them lately.
2. I think this is the reason they have better wet condition handling than the "B & B" brand. Remember this is my opinion and others may be offended by the feedback I get from the seat of my pants.
3. As a side note, with no tire shop in your small town why don't you mount them up yourself? Buy a set of 4 Centermatics for balance with the $ you will save from there M&B fee along with gas $ from running all over the county going to said tire shop. Those tires are a lot easier to mount up than a 4 wheeler, golf cart or lawn mower tire.
Mike
Mike I was always concerned about mounting these tires. That was purely a myth. By far easier to change by hand than any 15, 16,17, 18 or 20 auto or light truck tire. As long as you have the means to lift and remove wheels tires are big, but easy. I hate to admit this publicly but to this day I still dont understand how the tire beads work, BUT they do. I am 100% happy with my m177.
Scott
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Scott,
I used to be intimidated by all tires thinking it was some special skill, rather its actually quite simple. About 25 years ago, on a new motorcycle, after a 10 day trip out to your part of the country I arrived back home with near slick tires. Took off and to local dealer for tires, picked up with 1 of the rims cracked by the machine and told " You brought it in here that way". I did get a new rim out of the fiasco, but soon after bought all the tools to handle ANY tire myself, even having my own computer spin balancer.
I much prefer to spend a 1/2 day in my shop, doing my thing, on my time, maybe a cold beer or two, and sweat to accomplish a goal I know was done right. How many times has one spent hours at a tire shop, you leave and you have a slight shimmy/shake. You take it right back, "ok sir we'll have to balance them again, take a seat".....no thanks.
Your right the bigger the tire, the simpler it seems to be other than the grunt of the heavier item. Back brace/kidney belt a must, But they also make some pretty slick tools to help handle the weight. As for the beads, I have used them for about 30 years on Bikes and trailers, but prefer to use my spin Balancer. However, on the RV its either the beads or devices like centronics that are basically beads in a tube. Supposeldy every tire known to man has a heavy spot, the beads are slung outward at opposite of that spot and create balance. I does work and does so great.
At the moment I have no idea do I have beads in my Michelins, or do I maybe luckily have centronics. Prior owner did not have a clue as during his ownership the tires I have were on when they bought and they never had any issues. As I was able to get 2, 20t air jacks on sale at HF this past weekend for $99 each, I plan to one day soon pull a front tire and see if the centronics things might be on mine. If not I know it has beads. Even though I often recover my old beads using a vacuum pump and large bleeder jar I built, I would plan to buy a large tub of them as its much less than the individual packets. That and I still have 9 rolling things I keep and balance my own, using beads on occasion.
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Mike,
If you look through the holes in the wheel you will be able to see the Centermatics if you have them.
Mike
Mike,
thank for the continued feedback on the subject of noise and fully understand. Seems there are those that do get offended at simple topics at times. Oh yes I do plan to mount them myself, I do all my own. OK on the Centramatic balancer viewing, as I have never really seen any, did not think they could be seen with a rim all, but not that I look at a few pictures see where maybe they can be. And Yes, have given though to just buying a set of those with the $ I save on the self install.
Mike
I run Toyo M154's on all 6 for the past 4 years...35,000 miles. They were recommended by my tire guy in Montana for load capacity, wet traction and longevity. They have the deepest tread of the brand. Never heard of squirm issue and they ride and track just fine...noise is negligible. My coach is at max gross weight so I run 120psi cold in the fronts, 95psi in the rears. FWIW with no other 22.5 tires to compare. Woody.
For what its worth the 295s do come real close and some say they will rub the paint of the bag mounts, mine have not in the past 20k miles
Scott
I have 8 on our coach. Smooth riding.
I just installed 6 M177 295/75 H rated through Southern Tire. They could not get me 154. Their price was better than online. Ride great but don't have enough miles to fully evaluate. Went from Goodyear G670. They handle lots of big tires.
I run 177s LR H 295s on my 99. No issues in the last 5 years 30k miles or so. 120psi front, 100 in the rear, and they don't lose air. I also have balance beads in them.
No on hand deals within 100 miles. Any can obtain any I want, but all at prices much higher than anything ive found online, and all refuse to sell to me outright insisting they install. No thanks on those. Several online sources have both the 177 and 170 in stock, trying to find one that has DOT dates 6-12 months at max. Most state they can legally sell up to 4 years old (no thanks). Found the 170's @ $408 each not including all the taxes, but only 1 guy there today and he asked me to call back in the morning so they could check for DOT's not too old. Local WM can obtain the 177's but the highest priced of all 177's out there. Local Farmers Co-op quit handling tires about 10 years back. Not in a rush, find some eventually. Thanks for all the feedback.
Sorry to here this. Hope it works out. Pisses me off knowing I paid 414$ each for M177 two years ago. And now they have increased so much
Scott
I have Uniroyals from walmart.com. so far so good
Yes the prices on THESE type tires had gone up alot. 177s average around 520+. The 170 in the 410+ range. I just ordered a set of tires to fit my wife's commuter, I have to replace about every 2 years, Yokohama all I ever run on our dailys as I get great service out of them. I paid for this set within $10 of what I paid for the last set. I saw some of the Michelin similar to what I have now and the were in the $750 + range....rediculous. i don't mind spending my$, but such like that is just insane.
We love our F816e+ at $300/ea out the door, all taxes, mounting, disposal. 81 mph speed rated, LLR too. That's about $225/ea advertised price.
Pierce
Guess that I'm gunna have to skip the Nokian tires for a while. Shame . Best tires ever.
6, Toyo, M170 295/75/22.5. -149L H16 on the way $2450. (4821) dots.
Good price. Does it include shipping and mounting? Was thinking the Toyos have a M speed rating.
Pierce
Pierce,
Shipping is free. I will be mounting all myself, I have all the tools and ability to do so. There may come a time one day, but I trust no one to do anything for me that I can do myself. Its not about the $, its about the quality you rarely get in the work performed these days( heck last 20+ )
Toyo M170, near identical to the M177. Both have a LOAD/SPEED rating of 149/146L
I hear you. Just as the shop seems to have done a great job, the guy with the gun puts the lugs on at 1000 ft/lbs. We didn't balance our new tires and they seem perfect. The tire shop owner said that none of his truck owner customers balance theirs.
I've put a couple of 24 inch tractor tires on my Case 530D. Nasty job. Just installed a 13 inch on our wood splitter. Tire would not seal but some ether and a match did the trick. The quality of work done by many shops is terrible now with the companies that advertise the most doing the worst work. It's not the insurance companies that keep you out of the shops but watching "mechanics" learn at your expense.
Pierce
Guess I'm an old school trucker I wouldn't purchase Steer tires if I couldn't watch them spin on a balancer.
My truck tire installer showed me a colored dot on the side wall of the tire about 1/4 inch in diameter, he said that was a balance mark on the tire that should be aligned with the valve stem for the correct tire balance. For what it is worth.... ^.^d ::)
This is a tricky one as there are marks on the wheel as well as the red and yellow dots on the tire. Here is a good explanation:
https://www.topgear.com.ph/features/tip-sheet/do-you-know-what-those-colored-dots-on-the-sides-of-new-tires-are-for-a2600-20181008
Pierce
yes well aware of the dot id purpose. But I have seen it provides an accurate starting point in about 75% of the tires I have done over the years. Rule of thumb is if the dot doesn't get you to within 2g max weight, deflate and rotate it 180. Most shops that I have seen, pay zero attention to the dot and just load up the weights until it does balance. I have actually had a few tires that would never balance and would either take them back to where I bought for another or send them back if online. I've had a high end computer spin balancer for about 15 years now.
I blew out a tire on my brand new truck last year while pulling a trailer to Virginia to settle my mothers estate. The non full size spare, not something I wanted to tow with, went searching for a tire. Small shop had one. I was in the back talking while the guy was mounting. 7grams in and climbing, I asked the guy how much more was he going to load onto it? his plan was to keep going. I Asked him nicely to try the 180 approach, he obliged and 1.5G later we were done. "I be damn" he says, I never knew to do that. He claimed to have been mounting tires for over 30 years. Monkey see monkey do training approach I assume.
My balancer IS rated for 22.5, so might try to see how close the steer are. But due to the fact getting these balanced on the road is quite a chore, very time consuming and pricey, I'll be using either beads or Centramatics for continuous life of tire balance.. Havent decided which way I'll go on that.
Mike,
Wondering why you chose the M170 over the M177? Other than the obvious $100 per tire difference.
Justin,
I chose the M170 for 2 reasons. Mostly as just about every where I contacted on the M177, they had them on backorder and the prices were about to jump 20%. The other was, they are about $100+ each cheaper in price.
If you compare the M170 to the M177, they are near identical in all specs. I did have an initial concern about the fact that the 170 center tread sections appear a bit more agressive than the slick profile of the 177 from a noise perspective. However checking with some folks that have used them, as well as several online reviews, show this not to be an issue. There were several user reviews that mentioned the 170 performed a bit better in rain conditions, just a plus not something I weighed on my decision.
I presently have the Michelin that look showroom new but have near timed out. I had no intent of going back with those merely due to the rediculous price they charge for them. Toyos have an equal in quality reputation.