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Title: Flat tow question
Post by: Res777 on March 28, 2022, 02:32:35 pm
I was discussing my motorhome with my father-in-law who is an over the road bus driver in Brazil. I was laughing and telling him about the time I got myself nosed in at a truckstop and had to get out and unhook the jeep so I could back out of there. He asked me why I just didn't back up with the jeep still attached? I said it's my understanding that you cannot back a vehicle that you're pulling with a tow bar. I'll have to admit that I've never tried it. I'm just going off what my dad told me who used to flat tow his jeep behind a motorhome . My father-in-law was adamant that it could be done. And being my first motorhome. Who am I to argue with him? What are the opinions here about backing up a vehicle that you're flat towing with a tow bar?
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: oldmattb on March 28, 2022, 02:37:25 pm
Usually good for about two feet, and then the front wheels on the towd turn and everything binds up.  I have done the two feet many times.  I tried six feet once, and made a nice trough in a dirt road from the towd front tires.

Then people say have someone in the towd to keep the wheel straight.  Then stories about broken wrists.

Better than the stories, ask the towbar manufacturer what they say.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: wolfe10 on March 28, 2022, 02:38:41 pm
Best answer is NO, it can't be done.

Because of caster on the toad, pushing it backwards if not EXACTLY STRAIGHT will cause the front wheels of the toad to quickly go all the way to locked position.  Try it with a grocery cart.  Push from the front, even a few inches off center and see what happens.

There have even been stories of wife holding the wheel straight in the toad while coach was backed up.  Force on wheel strong enough as it whips around to break an arm.

This is NOT like backing a trailer--they don't have steer tires and lots of caster.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: craneman on March 28, 2022, 02:45:14 pm
It can destroy the tow bar also.
 I did get into a bad situation many years ago and had my brother steer the car with the engine running for power steering while we backed up. Keep in mind we are both over 50 year truck drivers and know how to see a problem if it developed.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: dsd on March 28, 2022, 03:15:16 pm
So another problem unmentioned of the robust tow platform damaging its hitch and although no indications may be displayed during the event it could cause damage to be present down the road exceeding the hitch side load capacity. Toads produce much higher side loads than trailers ever could.
Scott
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: oldguy on March 28, 2022, 04:34:15 pm
I have backed up a few times very carefully. My Suzuki wheels stay straight and as soon
as it goes out of alinement I quit backing up but as everyone has said you can put a lot
of strain on the tow bar if it gets out of alinement.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Res777 on March 28, 2022, 04:50:19 pm
Thanks for the answers confirming what I already thought. BUT. Who wants to argue with their Father-in-Law? 😂
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Dakota Slim on March 28, 2022, 05:04:21 pm
I've had to unhook the toad a few times for the exact reasons stated here and I do my best to not get into that situation.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Realmccoy on March 28, 2022, 05:13:50 pm
I've had to unhook. Get your spouse to go outside in a safety vest to direct traffic. They will feel sorry for her choice of mate and give you a little slack.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Protech Racing on March 29, 2022, 08:46:53 am
If the towed steering wheel is hands on  and kept straight, you can back up straight for a few feet. maybe 20 .  The wheel has to be held tight .Engine running will help.     
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Doug W. on March 29, 2022, 09:45:05 am
If the towed steering wheel is hands on  and kept straight, you can back up straight for a few feet. maybe 20 .  The wheel has to be held tight .Engine running will help.

Or loop the seat belt through the steering wheel and move seat back to tighten.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: dbennett9 on March 29, 2022, 01:39:31 pm
If the towed steering wheel is hands on  and kept straight, you can back up straight for a few feet. maybe 20 .  The wheel has to be held tight .Engine running will help.     
Even without anyone holding the wheel, it can be done if the surface is paved, flat, and even and you are backing straight. The wheels will stay straight for a while, probably at least a car length, if nothing on the surface pushes them to the side.
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Chris m lang on March 29, 2022, 05:06:38 pm
the 20 minutes to unhook and rehook are a small price to pay to not destroy or damage the tow bars
We have had to do it a couple of times, one at a truck stop to fuel up and I got in the wrong lane behind a truck that was getting service work done. I now look more careful before I pull in behind another truck.
Chris
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Hach on March 30, 2022, 01:26:35 am
Showed this thread to my wife, and she started yelling at me AGAIN for the 3 times we've had to unhook in the last 10 years!  Love that woman.  :)
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: oldguy on March 30, 2022, 12:08:12 pm
As I said I have backed up a short distant. but I also have had to disconnect the toad.
When we went to Newfoundland we left the toad behind and if we had brought it we
would have been disconnecting a lot. 
Title: Re: Flat tow question
Post by: Bob & Sue on March 30, 2022, 01:14:06 pm
The Nomadic fanatic on Utube uses a bungee cord on his Smart Car steering wheel to back up.

 A bungee might work other cars but I've seen him use it on his car.