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Title: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: Yetch on April 10, 2022, 04:29:13 pm
As my inverter/converter is not charging my batteries, it still seems to be converting shore power to DC.  What would be the lowest safe voltage on the house batteries before damage is done?
Thanks for the help.
Mike
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: wolfe10 on April 10, 2022, 04:49:55 pm
As my inverter/converter is not charging my batteries, it still seems to be converting shore power to DC.  What would be the lowest safe voltage on the house batteries before damage is done?
Thanks for the help.
Mike

Mike,

Need more explanation. "Converting shore power/120 VAC to DC" IS, repeat IS battery charging.

If lead acid or AGM batteries, 12.2 VDC is as low as you want to take them for long battery life.
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: Yetch on April 10, 2022, 06:27:34 pm
The voltage is showing between 12.35 and 12.5.  The charging mode of the Heart25 will not work.  If I turn the charge mode on, the red light remains on, and voltage stays at that level.  With the mode function off, same thing.  I have put a charger on the batteries, and voltage will go to 13.3 to 13.5.  When I remove the charger, voltage eventually goes back to 12.35 to 12.45 and remains.
I am assuming the Heart 25 is providing that voltage through the batteries.
Mike
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: red tractor on April 10, 2022, 08:12:08 pm
Time to replace the Heart 25. It has lasted a long time.
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: oldguy on April 10, 2022, 08:19:02 pm
I would think that is what your batteries are at. Nothing to do with your inverter.
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: Yetch on April 10, 2022, 11:00:41 pm
Yes, am ordering a Freedom 458 model 81-2530-12.  I was told this would utilize the Link 2000 interface which is what I have, and would pretty much be 'plug and play'.  Is anyone familiar with this unit, and have any comments?  I would appreciate comments or criticisms on this choice.
Thanks for the help.
Mike
 
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on April 10, 2022, 11:19:48 pm
Yes, am ordering a Freedom 458 model 81-2530-12.
I would appreciate comments or criticisms on this choice.
Mike,

The Freedom 458 is a modified sine wave inverter.  IMO, since you going to the trouble of installing a new unit, I believe you would be better served by choosing a pure sine wave model.  Just my opinion.

https://www.xantrex.com/power-products/inverter-chargers/freedom-458.aspx



Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: turbojack on April 11, 2022, 07:31:48 am
I agree with Chuck.  Going with a pure sine wave will cost you more, plus cost of adding the new display but I think in the end you will be way happier, along with all of your equipment that is using the inverter.
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: oldguy on April 11, 2022, 11:10:05 am
When I installed the Magnum 2812 the new controller display fit where the old display
was  and I use the old control wire. I had to do a small modification to the old rack
for the Magnum to fit. With  the modern electronics you need a pure sine wave inverter.
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: Old Toolmaker on April 11, 2022, 02:44:31 pm
I have put a charger on the batteries, and voltage will go to 13.3 to 13.5.  When I remove the charger, voltage eventually goes back to 12.35 to 12.45 and remains.
I am assuming the Heart 25 is providing that voltage through the batteries.
Mike

Mike I think you need a quick lesson in battery voltage, battery charging, and making assumptions.

Measure your battery voltage after a 3 hour rest.  24 hours is better, but three hours works in the real world.  12.5 to 12.7 volts is fully charged.  12.2 is 50% state of charge and the lowest you should drain lead acid batteries.

The reason for the resting period before measuring voltage has to do with the chemistry of lead acid batteries.  The final chemical reaction of the three chemical reactions involved with charging and discharging lead acid batteries takes about 24 hours to complete.  After 3 hours it's mostly done and we aren't going to fuss over less than 1/10 of 1 volt.

If your current charger inverter was doing anything to keep the batteries charged you would be measuring 13.2V.  That  is a good voltage to keep the batteries from self discharging.  13.6V is a good slow charge from 80% state of charge to full, and 14.4V is good from 0 to 80% state of charge.

And finally, reach a little deeper into your pocket and purchase a pure sine wave inverter.  There are enough people on this list qualified to talk you through any problems you might have with the installation and the electronics in your modern toaster will thank you.

Art
Title: Re: House battery voltage and converter
Post by: Protech Racing on April 11, 2022, 03:34:13 pm
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  Seems to work fine  on my cheap LA batteries.