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Title: Alternator output
Post by: dlkj07 on July 21, 2022, 01:48:17 pm
A few months ago when I was on my way to pick her up from the shop the mechanic called me and let me know that the alternator had failed. He said he could have one in by the time I picked it up. Haven't given it much thought since then but the voltage guage has been reading low ever since so I finally decided to check voltage while running.
So what's the best spot besides the alternator (little tight there and with my luck I'll get my voltmeter wires tangled in the pulley) to check..I did check at the coach batteries at idle and it's only reading 12.9v so I'm assuming there's an issue.
I tried to get a picture of the part# on the alternator. Looks like 24SI or M010C21C?? I'm wondering if he just grabbed anything he could get his hands on but even so it should be putting out more than 12.9 right?
Title: Re: Alternator output
Post by: Old Toolmaker on July 21, 2022, 01:56:39 pm
There are so many variables leading up to that 12.9V voltage reading.  If you want to start at the beginning, check the resting battery voltage, just to make sure the batteries are fully charged.  3 hours rest is good, 24 hours is the gold standard.

If you want to check starting at the alternator, get some alligator clips for your test leads. then have someone run the engine up to highway speed and read your measurement.

So:  Batteries fully charged and engine running at normal driving RPM.

Art
Title: Re: Alternator output
Post by: dlkj07 on July 21, 2022, 02:06:49 pm
There are so many variables leading up to that 12.9V voltage reading.  If you want to start at the beginning, check the resting battery voltage, just to make sure the batteries are fully charged.  3 hours rest is good, 24 hours is the gold standard.

If you want to check starting at the alternator, get some alligator clips for your test leads. then have someone run the engine up to highway speed and read your measurement.

So:  Batteries fully charged and engine running at normal driving RPM.

Art
Will do, batteries are definitely fully charged...I'll check at alternator once I get a 2nd person.
Title: Re: Alternator output
Post by: Barry & Cindy on July 21, 2022, 02:07:49 pm
Check alternator output at center tap on isolator. No fan belts to tangle with...
Title: Re: Alternator output
Post by: wolfe10 on July 21, 2022, 02:16:33 pm
Check alternator output at center tap on isolator. No fan belts to tangle with...

Voltmeter black/ground on any clean piece of metal.  Red lead as follows:

Yes, the center lug of the diode-based battery isolator is from the alternator B+ and will read the same as at the B+ terminal.

BUT, you also need to check the outer lugs as one goes to each battery bank.

Do the readings with the engine at 1,100 RPM or so.
Title: Re: Alternator output
Post by: Twig on July 21, 2022, 02:47:37 pm
Turn the headlights on while the engine is running and the voltage AT the batteries (house and start) should read 13+ volts if it's charging. The headlights are enough draw to excercise the alternator regulator.  Anything less and THEN it's time to troubleshoot.
Title: Re: Alternator output
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 21, 2022, 02:57:33 pm
...voltage gauge has been reading low....
I did check at the coach batteries at idle and it's only reading 12.9v...
Looks like 24SI...
...it should be putting out more than 12.9 right?
Yes, it should put out more than 12.9 volts, even at idle.

The Delco 24SI is a excellent alternator, but it must be installed correctly.  If the mechanic who installed yours was not familiar with the Foretravel battery isolator charging system, he may have done it incorrectly.

The Delco 24SI alternator does not require a "hot with ignition" EXCITE wire.  There is no place to connect one on the Delco 24SI.

The only small wire that should be connected to a Delco 24SI is the "always hot" SENSE wire.  It goes on the small "S" post.

With the Delco 24SI alternator, B+ voltage on the output stud is necessary for initial turn-on (excitation).  See the link below for Peter's info on connecting the Delco 28SI (or 24SI) alternator and how to make it work with a battery isolator.

DelcoRemy 28SI alternator (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=30873.msg269451#msg269451)

Sentence below is taken from 24SI instruction sheet found in Peter's post linked above:

"IMPORTANT! Please note that if the unit is not connected to the system correctly with the proper battery isolator, it may appear that the alternator is not charging or it is regulating at a low voltage creating a low state-of-charge condition."

I mounted a 28SI on our coach.  It installs exactly the same as the 24SI.  The thread linked below describes that project, and may be of interest.

Delco Remy 28SI Alternator Installation (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=40778)