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Title: Propane tank life
Post by: Charlieboise on October 10, 2022, 07:05:03 pm
Sorry if this has been covered. I did a search and didn't see what I needed.  With gas grill propane tanks you cannot get them refilled  once they have expired.

I have a 2003 U320 with an on board 17 gallon (I believe) tank.  Does that tank have an expiration date where it cannot be legally refilled ?

Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Rich Bowman on October 10, 2022, 07:06:39 pm
No.

Rich
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: rbark on October 10, 2022, 07:07:26 pm
Should not be a problem getting it refilled. We fill ours at Costco if we can.
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Woody & Sitka on October 10, 2022, 07:33:20 pm
Here's a cheat for expired inspection on a gas grill tank.  Just exchange it for a refilled one at Home Depot or gas station that does exchanges.  Done it several times, even with one that was a rusty mess, and the clerks never check for dates.  Worth a try.  W. 
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: bbeane on October 10, 2022, 10:03:03 pm
I just do a tank exchange on my expired ones.
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: "Irish" on October 10, 2022, 11:32:15 pm
As Rich said Earlier: NO!
Portable tanks are governed by DOT and require recertification every 12 years
Built in tanks are a different standard not requiring recertification.
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Charlieboise on October 11, 2022, 06:48:31 am
Thanks for all the replies.  Great forum with great folks. 
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Old Toolmaker on October 11, 2022, 09:18:02 am
I have a 2003 U320 with an on board 17 gallon (I believe) tank.  Does that tank have an expiration date where it cannot be legally refilled ?

The key word here is tank.  Your inboard tank is American Society of Mechanical Engineers certified and the only state the requires recertification as far as I know is Texas.  Your gas grill bottle is a Department of Transportation upright propane cylinder, a completely different authority.

FWIW 17 gallon sounds like an 85# tank.  The one that is in our U225 is 174# and was re-certified in Texas when we purchased our new home.
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on October 11, 2022, 10:42:46 am
Propane distributors will re certify your 20 gallon cylinders for about $10. I just had them do a 10 gallon. The tanks have a bursting pressure of over 900 psi. Relief valve goes off at 375 psi, tanks tested at factory at 600 psi.

Pierce
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Doug W. on October 11, 2022, 12:03:04 pm

I've picked up a few of these Marine propane cylinders at Garage sales lately 17 & 22# for cheap, very light weight and non corrosive. I wouldn't want to pay the retail price though.

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Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Bob & Sue on October 11, 2022, 12:19:00 pm
I've also been told that an onboard propane tank doesn't need to be re certified.....
 
  That's until I ran into a rouge employee/ supervisor at a U-Haul that would not fill our big on board tank.  She said no date .. no fill.    So don't assume that everyone knows the rules. 
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: dsd on October 11, 2022, 12:29:22 pm
If its bolted down it does not require reinspection. However it wouldnt hurt either. Its not a hydrostatic check. They open the end and do a visual inspection for internal corrosion.
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Bob & Sue on October 11, 2022, 12:46:52 pm
We'll ok then. I would be onboard with an inspection. Not a bad idea, and I do need the liquid valve replaced. I rarely ( never ) use the liquid valve but I once thought I'd use that valve to refill one pounders. 

  Opened the valve to check  and had a very hard time getting it closed. Scared the heck out of me. But.  The local propane dealer doesn't evacuate them any more so I'd have to use it dry to get that done.

 Ps. I realize not everyone has a liquid valve but ours does. Possibly for the Optional propane geny?
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: dsd on October 11, 2022, 05:09:55 pm
Many of the valves can be rebuild if your shop is willing to source parts. Absolutely do any maintenance that is needed while the tank is empty/system is open. Also. Best to be near empty prior to any service.
Title: Re: Propane tank life
Post by: Old Toolmaker on October 11, 2022, 05:48:28 pm
We'll ok then. I would be onboard with an inspection. Not a bad idea, and I do need the liquid valve replaced. I rarely ( never ) use the liquid valve but I once thought I'd use that valve to refill one pounders. 

  Opened the valve to check  and had a very hard time getting it closed. Scared the heck out of me. But.  The local propane dealer doesn't evacuate them any more so I'd have to use it dry to get that done.

 Ps. I realize not everyone has a liquid valve but ours does. Possibly for the Optional propane geny?

My tank came with all original valves, then one day the tank wouldn't accept propane.  The vapor valve "felt" like the shaft was bent and would leak propane when between open and closed.  So, since we live full time in our home, I created a port for a 40# DOT cylinder, and waited for the big tank to give its last gasp.  While waiting I ordered a new POV valve and the vapor valve.  In my case I also needed a pair of Crow's Foot wrenches to turn the valves.  And of course the yellow pipe dope.  I worked quickly to remove and replace each valve because I didn't want air to enter the tank.  In other words the POV was doped up and ready to screw in as soon as I removed the original valve.  Then hand tight plus 1-1/2 turns and for the vapor valve "to position."  Tapered pipe threads can't be tightened until they don't leak.  Only until they'll hold position under normal use.  It's the pipe thread compound that seals the gap between the root and the crest of the threads.