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Title: House battery boiled over
Post by: Rkcox2 on October 23, 2022, 01:03:31 pm
On a recent trip, my House Batteries 2 -6 volts in series over charged and boiled over. This is on a 1987 grand villa ored oshkosh chassis. Checked fuses on dash and a 20 amp fuse had blown. Got home on chassis battery.  Added. 2 - new 6 volt battieries and the fuse continues to blow even with the house battery switch off and chassis battery on. Can't tell what the 20 amp fuse goes to but is in the bank listed as Inst lights
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Dakota Slim on October 23, 2022, 02:29:21 pm
There must be a dead short in something that's on that circuit. Could be your battery isolator. 
The isolator went bad on my 1981 Foretravel and it fried the alternator.
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Rkcox2 on October 23, 2022, 02:58:58 pm
Thanks for the reply. Battery isolator. Is that the switch that connects the house battery?. The problem has to be related to when the house batteries over charged and blew the 2 am fuse because the prob remains the same with new batteries. Of it is only the isolator that might be an easy fix. My alternator works fine so I am lucky there.
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Dakota Slim on October 23, 2022, 03:05:58 pm
Thanks for the reply. Battery isolator. Is that the switch that connects the house battery?. The problem has to be related to when the house batteries over charged and blew the 2 am fuse because the prob remains the same with new batteries. Of it is only the isolator that might be an easy fix. My alternator works fine so I am lucky there.
Here's a photo of a battery isolator. They are usually located in the rear wheel well.
"A battery isolator can eliminate the problem of battery drain all together. The isolator's role is to allow the alternator to assist with charging the primary battery, while at the same time not allowing other loads in the charging system to drain the primary battery."
Search the forum for "battery isolator". I'm sure there is a lot of info about them and the problems they can create.
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Rkcox2 on October 23, 2022, 05:58:19 pm
I attached a picture where the 20 amp fuse is missing. This fuse keeps burning out. It is in the instrument bundle but I can't determine what it feeds. Nothing on my house  is getting current. I am hoping someone can enlighten me so I can get to the bottom of this. I hate to take it in for repair when it maybe minor. Thanks for any help
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Protech Racing on October 23, 2022, 09:30:15 pm
There may be 2 fuse boxes under the dash . One is hot key on , the other is always hot . 
 Key on box runs the driving systems, running lights, turns sig, ect .    Key off box runs a lot of dash stuff also . The little  fans above the driver seat, get hot and could  blow fuses. Look for stuff that doesnt work and go from there.

  A place that has shorted on my bus is  at the dock lights' wires as they go across the bottom of the doors.  I crash car parts or jacks on the wires.   
  Another  area is under the water tank. The tank settles through the floor and cuts the harness at the edge of the frame . 
  I mounted my tank on  painted 3/4 ply over  square tubing that sits on  the frame as cross members.
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Dakota Slim on October 23, 2022, 09:43:05 pm
I attached a picture where the 20 amp fuse is missing. This fuse keeps burning out. It is in the instrument bundle but I can't determine what it feeds. Nothing on my house  is getting current. I am hoping someone can enlighten me so I can get to the bottom of this. I hate to take it in for repair when it maybe minor. Thanks for any help
If your isolator is shorted out, it could do all kinds of things like blow fuses, cut off power from the house batteries, ruin your batteries and possibly start a fire. 
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Rkcox2 on October 23, 2022, 10:07:56 pm
I appreciate all the comments. All my fuses look good.. This should be simple from the fact that my house batteries over charged , boiled over while I was driving... I replaced the batterieb and the new fuse still blows. The over charging and boiling  over is what started the whole process and it would seem that there would not be all these other interviening factors. Possible but. not logical. So all I have to do is determine what caused the 20 amp fuse to blow and what other reactions may have occurred during that failure. I will work through the suggestions. but nothing stands out.

Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Protech Racing on October 23, 2022, 10:17:42 pm
My battery boiled when it died and the on board charger kept charging it .
    The alternator should not be able to over charge it to extreme.  The engine bat will also gets charged and the volt meter will read over 15 volts.    Sounds like that part works fine.  I would find out why the fuse is a hard short and go from there.   
Your battery connector should be right  inside the engine side door , on the rear bulkhead.  Disconnect the end cables.  Try th fuse box again.
 If fails. 

Disconnect the battery/s.    Hook up a solo battery , jumper cable through a 50 amp breaker to the system.  Plug in fuses and see what doesnt work or what fuse blows .
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: oldguy on October 23, 2022, 10:45:38 pm
If you have can get a tone tracer you might be able to fined where the wires go and find out
what it does.
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Old Toolmaker on October 24, 2022, 10:52:44 am
I attached a picture where the 20 amp fuse is missing. This fuse keeps burning out. It is in the instrument bundle but I can't determine what it feeds.
Captain Obvious here, but you need to find everything that 20A fuse is protecting oh so well.  Physically trace the wire until it disappears, and with help from the electrical schematics and cartoons find out where it re-appears.  Once you know what is connected to that 20A fuse, then you'll know what is causing the problem.  Keep track of your time spent and once you're finished write a check to yourself @$25/HR.  You'll have earned it.  And saved money.
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Rkcox2 on November 02, 2022, 04:41:11 pm
Took out isolater, it had shorted out. Replacing in a couple of days. This may correct my prob. If it had not been for this website I would not have been aware of the isolater. Thanks to all
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 02, 2022, 07:14:49 pm
Good idea to take a smart phone and take a shot of the isolator before you remove the cables so you get everything back in the same spot. The PO replaced ours and got it all wrong so both banks were always connected. The cables have ID labels wrapped around them a couple of inches from the end but time and exposure to the elements may make it hard to read.

Other, more modern alternatives to the isolator that may be a possibility when it comes to replacement time.

Pierce
Title: Re: House battery boiled over
Post by: Rkcox2 on November 05, 2022, 09:24:36 pm
Taking a pic I did. Very good idea esp for the novice. I will be putting it in soon and will give update. Thanks again for responses.