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Title: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working on
Post by: Olde English on September 17, 2023, 05:24:46 pm
[New topic created from another - Michelle]

Putting lids on things and taking a break between issues, I hope a long one. I started out the thread admitting to being green on 110 ac details. Thought came to me that after having 2 of these rigs covering 13 years, this is the first time I've ever had the cover off the ATS. That in itself is uncommon. What isn't uncommon is an old bird that hasn't been into every system and it is a lot of help when people chime in with experiences they have come across when they were in the midst of such. I don't take this group I've been a part of for so long for granted, instead the group just continues to come thru and verify what we've known all along, if you have a Foretravel you need to be a member of this group whether you know it or not... Thanks..

I empathize with you Dub, for me electrical is a complete mystery.  We just got back from a trip to the western slope of Colorado and after 240 miles yesterday the batteries were almost flat this morning. We plugged in to 50 amps all night and had to put the boost on to start, dash meter was showing 11 amps.
The only up side is my son in-law is an electrical engineer, computer wiz and heaven only knows what else so he'll be over this week. They will get the coach when we downsize so he's more than happy to help.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working on
Post by: Michelle on September 17, 2023, 07:03:43 pm
I empathize with you Dub, for me electrical is a complete mystery.  We just got back from a trip to the western slope of Colorado and after 240 miles yesterday the batteries were almost flat this morning. We plugged in to 50 amps all night and had to put the boost on to start, dash meter was showing 11 amps.

So chassis/start batteries almost completely discharged despite the drive?  I'd start with checking chassis battery connections to make sure they're clean and tight, then move on to the alternator to make sure it's working.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working on
Post by: Olde English on September 17, 2023, 07:35:03 pm
Terminals are squeaky clean and brass and tight.
Wait for the son in law, I've disconnected the batteries and I'll charge em up tomorrow and then we'll see.
So start at the back pulling connections and cleaning and re connecting and testing and I'm already tired haha
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working on
Post by: Olde English on September 18, 2023, 06:50:16 pm
Wonder boy tested every wire and connection, I stood back in awe. We had the motor running and adding a touch of throttle when he called for it.
Here's a picture of the culprit, new one and then he crimped the connectors and now everything works just fine.
$7.04 for the part and less then an hour fiddling.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: kgrover on September 18, 2023, 07:57:38 pm
Where was that relay, and what does it control? Just asking for future reference.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: Olde English on September 18, 2023, 09:02:03 pm
Not real sure what it specifically does however a wire runs back to the sense terminal on the alternator, and the do hicky mounts on the front of the engine space on the wall under the bed.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: kgrover on September 18, 2023, 11:53:02 pm
Ah, Thanks. A sticky do hicky will get you every time. Sounds like it's a relay to give the alternator the voltage signal to start charging. If that was bad, it would make sense that the alternator didn't charge the batteries because it wasn't seeing the voltage signal.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on September 19, 2023, 07:48:53 am
Not real sure what it specifically does however a wire runs back to the sense terminal on the alternator...
Sounds like it's a relay to give the alternator the voltage signal to start charging.
Not to be picky, but if the purpose of the relay wire was to tell the alternator to "start charging" then it would be connected to the EXCITE terminal.  If, instead, the wire actually is connected to the SENSE terminal, that wouldn't make any sense, because the SENSE terminal wire should be HOT all the time.  Connecting the SENSE wire to a relay would be nonsensical.  8)
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: John44 on September 19, 2023, 08:01:14 am
Lets not start a trend,some of us are electricly challenged,no more do hicky talk,call a relay a relay.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: Olde English on September 19, 2023, 10:26:08 am
Must be why my son in law came over and fixed it for me as I don't know the difference between a sense terminal and an excite terminal. I'm truly sorry for not understanding the difference between a relay and a regulator.
But what I'm really really sorry about is some people have a broken humourarse.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: Olde English on September 19, 2023, 01:19:13 pm
I went out to the coach to continue post trip cleanup, yesterday I disconnected both batteries. I looked over towards the dashboard and the stereo was lit up mmm, no battery power ?
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: craneman on September 19, 2023, 01:54:43 pm
Hopefully just on temporally from capacitor. Otherwise we've had ET and ghost suggestions when this happened before.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: Doug W. on September 19, 2023, 02:07:23 pm
I went out to the coach to continue post trip cleanup, yesterday I disconnected both batteries. I looked over towards the dashboard and the stereo was lit up mmm, no battery power ?

Do you have a battery maintainer for your start batteries such as a Trik- L- Charge could be hooked up to your isolator between chassis and coach posts.
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: Olde English on September 19, 2023, 02:14:04 pm
Way to go Dug, there's a solar panel on the roof for trickle charging I suppose that could be the source ? As I've stated before electrical systems are for the most part a mystery to me and I lucked out with my son in law !
Title: Re: Chassis batteries aren't charging [SPLIT from Re: Electrical [Only some 120VAC items are working
Post by: oldguy on September 19, 2023, 11:40:49 pm
Solar would keep the radio on.