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Title: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: bobkathy95 on September 28, 2023, 08:29:15 pm
We just returned home from MOT (1000 miles) with our 'new to us' U295.  Coach is in good shape and came with 10 years of service records - all from MOT.  The entire way home the dash Volt meter was showing around 11.9 volts.  I contacted MOT and was told to drive with Gen on and Boost switch On - that would ensure the gen set charges the engine batteries.  The engine CPU needs to see a certain amount of voltage to avoid a shutdown.  We had no issues, but the volt meter only got to 12 v.
 At home, with the engine at idle, I tested the  Bat 1, Bat2  and Alternator stud located on the Issolator (under bed in engine bay).  The reading were consistent on all 3 studs - about 14.1 volts.  The studs were clean - I cleaned them again anyway.
I then tested the Trombeta that connects to the Battery 1 & 2 stud on the Issolator - it also was around 14 volts.  I am parked at home and on shore power - with the Boost Switch ON.  The three starting batteries are reading 12.7 volts.  Running the engine at idle - the dash volt gauge is only around 12.1 volts.
The posts have been cleaned on the starting batteries.

Is the U295 is set up to charge both sets of batteries at the same time on Shore power or with engine running.  If not, how can I address that.

As to the Dash Volt Gauge - is it maybe in error or do I have some other issues.  Greatly appreciate everyone's thought.

Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: oldguy on September 28, 2023, 09:24:02 pm
My dash voltmeter has always read at least .6th of a volt below the actual voltage.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: kgrover on September 29, 2023, 06:32:26 am
You can check the wiring starting at the voltage gauge and follow it all the way to the batteries. You should see it increase in voltage at every connection. You can clean the connection points and that should help. I bet your mulitmeter matches the gauge if you check the wires at the back of the gauge. You are seeing the voltage drop from all the wire and connections between the gauge and the batteries. The readings you took at the isolator and batteries is good. Your gauge is just seeing the voltage drop.

My monitor system and gauge are reading low like that too, but it's just the wiring.

Your engine ECM will run down to 6v ish, You have a long way to go before you would get there.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: wolfe10 on September 29, 2023, 08:13:16 am
Engine alternator charges both chassis and house battery banks.

OE was for shore power/generator to only charge the house bank.  Many owners have added a device (several different kinds) to charge the chassis bank.

With a diode-based battery isolator, the center lug from the alternator B+ terminal should read around .7 VAC HIGHER than the outer lugs that go to the batteries, as that .7 VDC is lost to heat in the isolator.  That is why the large surface area of aluminum fins to dissipate the heat.

Important thing here is for you to determine if this is a gauge issue or actual charging issue.

Compare readings from your digital voltmeter at the batteries and then at the dash with engine off, engine on at 1,100 RPM or so, shore power or generator off and then with  it on.

Let us know all your readings.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: Barry & Cindy on September 29, 2023, 11:47:02 am
The only way to remotely read battery voltage is to have a dedicated wire almost of any size from battery to meter. Anytime there are other loads on a voltage meter wire, the reading will be inconsistent and low.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: WS6_Keith on September 29, 2023, 04:28:59 pm
By chance were you running with the headlights on?  Towing anything?  I notice that when towing my trailer and running all the lights, output drops about .5V-.6V at the dash readout.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: wolfe10 on September 29, 2023, 04:42:33 pm
By chance were you running with the headlights on?  Towing anything?  I notice that when towing my trailer and running all the lights, output drops about .5V-.6V at the dash readout.

Re-verify ground for the dash.

A loose or poor ground will cause dash gauges to read "differently" with different 12 VDC loads.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: bobkathy95 on September 29, 2023, 05:29:03 pm
Thanks to all for your help.  Based on the various answers, it would appear that my charging system and batteries are just fine.  With shore power off - my batteries tested at 12.7 volts.  On our other coaches (and cars) I was used to seeing dash voltage readings anywhere from 13 to 14 - depending on load.
Yes, we were towing a car and using the Blue Ox cable that feeds juice to the car for brake and turn lights.

I am leaning towards a dash gauge (or its wiring) issue.  Least now I know what I am looking for.  Thanks again to everyone.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: bobkathy95 on September 29, 2023, 06:37:17 pm
Forgot to add - when on shore power, the Magnum inverter is showing 13.1 volts on Float Charging.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: wolfe10 on September 29, 2023, 06:40:31 pm
13.1 VDC is OK in hot temperatures, but a little low a temps drop.

Be sure the inverter/charger is properly programmed for:

Battery technology (wet cell, gel, AGM and if newer one it may include a separate setting for Li batteries)
Battery size (in amp hours)
Temperature (unless temp sensor installed)
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: oldguy on September 29, 2023, 09:09:51 pm
Just put your handheld voltmeter right on the posts of your coaches voltmeter and that will tell
you if the coaches voltmeter is right or not and how much it is out.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: WS6_Keith on October 01, 2023, 05:12:27 pm
Re-verify ground for the dash.
A loose or poor ground will cause dash gauges to read "differently" with different 12 VDC loads.
Same thing shows in the VMSpc from the ECM.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: oldguy on October 01, 2023, 05:20:18 pm
My Silverleaf was giving me the the wrong voltage about the same as the gauge I now have
the Silverleaf adjusted correctly.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: wolfe10 on October 01, 2023, 06:26:45 pm
Totally depends on where the Silverleaf is getting its voltage reading.

Reading at the batteries can be quite different "many marginal connections and small gauge wire" later.

Often, cleaning all connections starting at the batteries (both positive and ground) and the grounds at the dash can have a significant effect on voltage difference between battery and the dash area.
Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: Cape Bretoner on October 02, 2023, 09:47:33 am
On my 1999 U295 the dashboard gauge reads 1 volt lower than my Silver leaf or a hand held volt meter at the battery and if I drive with the lights on it drops an other half a volt on the dashboard but is OK on the silver leaf    on the silver leaf with no lights on or lights on it run around 14 volt it jumps back and forth 13.9  Volts to 14.3 volts  but most time 14 volts on silver leaf the gauge on the dash is out by one volt and 1.5 volt with lights on this has been since I owned it 4 years now

Title: Re: Battery Charging issues.
Post by: wolfe10 on October 02, 2023, 10:54:21 am
When dash voltmeter reads lower with headlights on, check dash gauge ground.  Don't hesitate to add an additional one.