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Title: ISM drain plug
Post by: red tractor on October 30, 2024, 07:51:18 pm
I am looking for a drain plug for a 2003 Cummins ISM that has the valve for draining so I don't have to remove the drain plug. Does anyone have the part number? Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: stevej on October 30, 2024, 08:02:17 pm
I couldn't find anything on here, but Chat GPT says:
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For a 2003 Cummins ISM engine, you can typically use a Fumoto F-108N valve or a similar EZ Oil Drain Valve with an M22-1.5 thread size, which should fit most ISM models. This type of valve allows you to drain oil without fully removing the plug, making maintenance much simpler.

To be certain, you may want to confirm the thread size of your specific oil pan, as some variations exist.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: Geodmann on October 30, 2024, 08:33:53 pm
I have the Fumoto and would give it to you if you were close by.  I ran it for a year or so but it always leaked a little oil.  Not from the valve but from the threads.  I could never understand why I couldn't get it to seal tight.  I tried it with the gasket it came with, the gasket from the original drain plug and no gasket.  It always leaked for me.  Eventually I got spooked by how low it hangs down and I decided to switch back to the original plug.  No problem since.  I know I will take hits from everyone who thinks I will strip out my oil pan but I'm confident I can avoid that and I'm in the habit of not overtightening pan plugs (or oil filters).  The Fumoto valve seemed very good quality and I never had a problem with the valve itself.  That being said, when I change the oil I have two 5 gallon buckets handy and I swap them on the fly while the oil drains.  Never a problem.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: Barry & Cindy on October 30, 2024, 08:42:46 pm
Great question Ron. . . Only recommend The Best Quick Oil Drain Plugs - No-Spill Systems (https://nospillsystems.com/) brand, and only their Compact model. Buy spare drain hose. ISM with their aluminum drain pan with OEM steel drain plug is an invitation for disaster, when the day the aluminum threads come out with the drain plug. Do installing the above system may save you if the aluminum threads are not already stressed. Other model drain plug systems may stick down too much potentially being a new weak spot if something hits them and breaks off. BTW, Nospillsystems is also recommended for other engine models, even those with a steel drain pan.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: oldmattb on October 30, 2024, 09:30:02 pm
Great question Ron. . . Only recommend The Best Quick Oil Drain Plugs - No-Spill Systems (https://nospillsystems.com/) brand, and only their Compact model. Buy spare drain hose. ISM with their aluminum drain pan with OEM steel drain plug is an invitation for disaster, when the day the aluminum threads come out with the drain plug. Do installing the above system may save you if the aluminum threads are not already stressed. Other model drain plug systems may stick down too much potentially being a new weak spot if something hits them and breaks off. BTW, Nospillsystems is also recommended for other engine models, even those with a steel drain pan.
One of our forum members gave me a No Spill when we bought the coach.  First oil change, the threads came out with the OEM plug.  I installed the replacement thread thing to restore the threads, and then the No Spill.  The new thread insert was not difficult, but was probably the scariest RV job I have done.  Now the No Spill does the work, and the threads can remain pristine!
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: Michelle on October 30, 2024, 09:49:50 pm
We are also fans of the No Spill system.  There was a service note in our new coach that the original drain pan threads were stripped and a "drill out and replace with larger threads" was done.  Good reminder that we need to look at that and see what the threads are so we can order the correct No Spill drain insert.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: dsd on October 30, 2024, 10:58:57 pm
Oil pan plug (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=42944.0)
Just for reference. 20/20 hindsight I would go with the near flush. This has worked for me. The oil pans are magnesium. They work good till they don't.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: rbark on October 31, 2024, 12:33:11 pm
I also installed the No Spill Drain Plug, low profile system and works great.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: craneman on October 31, 2024, 02:47:48 pm
I also installed the No Spill Drain Plug, low profile system and works great.

Same here.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: oldguy on October 31, 2024, 04:15:32 pm
Mine came with the No spill plug low profile and it works great.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: red tractor on October 31, 2024, 09:07:47 pm
rbark, do you have the part number? Thanks
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: red tractor on October 31, 2024, 09:09:08 pm
Michelle, I had to do one a couple of years ago and it took the same drain plug as the original plug.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: Pamela & Mike on October 31, 2024, 09:53:27 pm
rbark, do you have the part number? Thanks

RedT,

I think this is what you are looking for
Out the bottom of the M-11
No spill #55-25418-01 Compact series
#1002 drain as you have plenty of room

This should be the latest numbers

Mike
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: rbark on November 01, 2024, 01:30:26 am
Red T,
 I'll look for it tomorrow but I think Mike has the right number.
 I remember going to their website and clicking on my engine (m11) and then ordering it.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: red tractor on November 01, 2024, 07:06:56 pm
Thank you Mike and rbark
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: AdventureSofie on November 04, 2024, 12:10:05 pm
Thanks for the lead. I was about to do this change also. 
The No Spill System looks like a good system.  While searching for this type of drain plug I came across several others.  What caught my attention was the one from Femco.  Apparently, No Spill was a distributor until 2013 then split off and started making their copy of the Femco drains.  So it looks like they are nearly identical and probably are.  After pricing these out the Femco (plug, drain hose and shipping) is almost $30 less then the No Spill brand.  Femco Compact LB 7050020417 1"-18-UNS-T12.  All Femco products are made in the Netherlands while No Spill is in the US.  Either way it's not Chinese.
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: Geodmann on November 04, 2024, 06:27:55 pm
I know I'm an outlier here but anyone have the spec on a replacement crush washer for the oem plug?
Title: Re: ISM drain plug
Post by: Barry & Cindy on November 04, 2024, 08:51:32 pm
Andy, We like Femco and are surprised they are also available, and you say less expensive. Your NoSpill story is how we remember, but thought for a while Femco was not available here. Thanks for the info.