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Title: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: DP2 on January 11, 2025, 01:24:38 pm
I have a fluid leak on the right side of my engine from a metal tube tube that developed a small pin hole in it. Not sure if it's hydraulic or antifreeze. Photos attached. Also, where would I find the engine vin?  Do you all know the part number?
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: John44 on January 11, 2025, 01:42:50 pm
Assuming it is a 8.3,all I can see from the pictures is a oily engine,get some brake cleaner and engine degreaser and clean the
area,then you can determine what is leaking,looks like oil to me,go on Ebay and look for a parts book,will be easier to find the part.
Your number is on the top area on the timing gear case near the engine oil dipstick,once to have that you can go to Cummins on
line and look up the part.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: wolfe10 on January 11, 2025, 02:01:42 pm
The engine will be a Cummins M engine.

But the advice to clean the engine to find the SOURCE, rather than necessarily where you see it is excellent.

And, you should be able to identify what fluid it is.

Engine oil (black) is different from hydraulic fluid (clear oil) is different from diesel (light viscosity and smells like diesel) is different from coolant (compare to color of your coolant, and smells like coolant) is different from transmission fluid (lighter viscosity than motor oil and red).

Let us know what you find.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Pamela & Mike on January 11, 2025, 02:14:49 pm
With that being an M-11 the engine tag is on the same side of the engine your leak is and just above it (the tube you show)

With those pics I am not sure but If you find that the liquid is antifreeze the hose should be the cooling line to the air compressor.
If you can get a better pic from above with the bed up I might be able to tell for sure.

Mike
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Michelle on January 11, 2025, 02:31:16 pm
Is it the line discussed in this topic? 

Coolant leak from ? (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=48717.0)
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Pamela & Mike on January 11, 2025, 02:44:40 pm
Michelle,

Mike said to tell you thanks as I was looking for this same info.
Now Mike said that in reply 10 the first pic if you blow it up on the big screen you can see the same line coming off the compressor head.

Pamela & Mike
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: rbark on January 11, 2025, 04:28:45 pm
I can see the pin hole leak on that tubing, right where it makes a 90 deg bend. You can see it squirting so it would be the coolant line.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: John44 on January 11, 2025, 06:10:19 pm
On fb he said he has a mechanic coming,think I would get the part first then a mechanic.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Michelle on January 11, 2025, 07:08:24 pm
Michelle,

Mike said to tell you thanks as I was looking for this same info.
Now Mike said that in reply 10 the first pic if you blow it up on the big screen you can see the same line coming off the compressor head.

Pamela & Mike

OK, so in my previous PMs with Dylan, this part is not listed on shop.cummins.com  One needs to contact the closest Cummins location and have them transfer you to a parts sales rep.

We did not pursue further ourselves since that line on our unit appears to be in good condition.

Also as noted in that previous topic, the line might come as bare metal, and it would be good to coat it with rust preventative paint first, if possible (the one on our coach is painted and now has a little extra "POR-15 love" on it.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: steve on January 11, 2025, 07:13:35 pm
Not your specific leak, but I'd replace that Gear Cover Plug shown in your first picture ... Should be Cummins P/N 3688114 ~$12  It just a rubber cover that pops in.  Start by cleaning all the gunk around the old plug, then pop out the old and pop in the new.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Pamela & Mike on January 11, 2025, 08:15:43 pm
this part is not listed on shop.cummins.com  One needs to contact the closest Cummins location and have them transfer you to a parts sales rep.

I can't be for sure due to the age differences and slight routing differences in different years but here is a number to look up and see if you can find a pic of it. 5295242. That number came off the metal tag on our line.

Mike
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Michelle on January 11, 2025, 08:35:08 pm
I can't be for sure due to the age differences and slight routing differences in different years but here is a number to look up and see if you can find a pic of it. 5295242. That number came off the metal tag on our line.

Dylan's 2001 and our 2000 show 3400718 in the QuickServe parts.  OP David and Dana have a 2001.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Barry & Cindy on January 11, 2025, 10:57:55 pm
If possible, temporary fix it with piece of rubber with tight hose clamp while waiting for part replacement.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: DP2 on January 12, 2025, 09:13:14 am
Thank you all for the advice...after reviewing the photos I realized they weren't the ones I meant to send...the leak is definitely coolant from the metal coolant line. I've checked the location on the engine block and thus far have not found the SN#. I'll try the break cleaner and see if that helps. I talked to Keith R yesterday and he informed me that FT should have the engine SN on file if I give them the VIN. I appreciate everyones patience with me, we have  had this coach for less than a year and I'm slowly learning....I definitely feel like I'm an IDIOT most of the time. Pamela and Mikes post looks like the correct part just not sure about the configuration. On the hunt for the SN#. Thanks again.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: John44 on January 12, 2025, 09:25:29 am
If you can get to a Cummins dealer they should be able to pull up a diagram of the part with or without a serial number.
Title: Re: ISM 450 Sprung a Leak
Post by: Michelle on January 12, 2025, 10:29:30 pm
I appreciate everyones patience with me, we have  had this coach for less than a year and I'm slowly learning....

We have all been there.  That's why we all try to help when we can.