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Re: Ether start built into the coach

I'm planning on using the boost switch when I start tomorrow morning. The temperature is going to be right about 32 degrees when we plan to start. I've got the block heater on now. When we left St. Peters last week it was in the 20's with winds up the tailpipe of upper 20's, so even the boost didn't really get it going. I added the Jeep to the mix and it fired.

I have started non heated engines at -30 f using the ether start built into the coach many times
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #1
I have started non heated engines at -30 f using the ether start built into the coach many times

Bob,

That was MANY years ago.  All the engines in the last many, many years have an INTAKE MANIFOLD HEATER.  Spraying ether on a red hot wire grid is a good way to blow things up.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #2
Bob,

That was MANY years ago.  All the engines in the last many, many years have an INTAKE MANIFOLD HEATER.  Spraying ether on a red hot wire grid is a good way to blow things up.

As Brett says, when ether hits the hot grid, it may explode big time. Non-professional drivers may use ether on hot engines in a situation like clogged fuel filters. This is a good way to bend connecting rods and break compression rings.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #3
As Brett says, when ether hits the hot grid, it may explode big time. Non-professional drivers may use ether on hot engines in a situation like clogged fuel filters. This is a good way to bend connecting rods and break compression rings.

Pierce

The ether start was/is thermostatically controlled and did not work above 50 degrees on the Oshkosh's.  I assume my m11 is the same way.
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #4
The ether start was/is thermostatically controlled and did not work above 50 degrees on the Oshkosh's.  I assume my m11 is the same way.

Doesn't matter how the intake manifold heater is controlled or how the ether is controlled.  The colder the temperature, the more the intake manifold heater stays on (i.e. red hot wires) and the more ether would be injected.  Again ONE OR THE OTHER.  NEVER BOTH.

It is really important that each of you VERIFY whether your engine has an intake manifold heater before considering ether.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #5
Doesn't matter how the intake manifold heater is controlled or how the ether is controlled.  The colder the temperature, the more the intake manifold heater stays on (i.e. red hot wires) and the more ether would be injected.  Again ONE OR THE OTHER.  NEVER BOTH.

It is really important that each of you VERIFY whether your engine has an intake manifold heater before considering ether.

Am I incorrect to assume that the Foretravel installed system is safe to use?

Like I mentikhed I remember looking at an m11 nomenclature and external diagram and I thought the ether port was after any hesting grid...

Do I have the only 97 u320 with an on dash oem ether start switch?

Maybe there  is no system only the switch?  Different on a u270 or other?

Maybe a delete with Aqua hot or m11?
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #6
Our 03 u320 with the ism cummins has an ether switch on the dash and an ether canister at the rear. As far as I can tell there is not intake grid heaters on it, like our 98 u295 with the 8.3 cummins which did have the grid heaters.
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

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Reply #7
Our 03 u320 with the ism cummins has an ether switch on the dash and an ether canister at the rear. As far as I can tell there is not intake grid heaters on it, like our 98 u295 with the 8.3 cummins which did have the grid heaters.

Thanks red.  where is your canister located?
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #8
This is an interesting topic.  I've never used the ether on any of our coaches but our 02 sure has it. 

I remember back when the 6.2 diesel Chevrolets came out and my cousin couldn't get his started.  He called me to bring him a can of ether.  When I told him he couldn't use ether because of the grids the old trucker came out in him and he said "if I blow the intake off of the *** at least I'll know why it won't start"
Rick & Rhonda
2003 U320 4220  Build #6199
Was
91 36' GV 300 Caterpillar, 92 40' U280 300 Cummins, 97 36' U295 300 Cummins, 2002
U320 450 Cummins
(Guess we're hooked)

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Reply #9
Hi Bob,
  Our 1997 U 320 is as yours. Dash switch and all.
Raymond
Raymond & Babette Jordan
1997 U 320
1998 Ford Explorer XLT

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Reply #10
The ether canister on my 2001 U320 is under the engine cover on the right hand side.
Since I'll be a summer only user I'll never need it.

Steve

"Rocket"  2001 3610 U320 IFS  #5907
Car crazy guy with too many toys to list here.

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Reply #11
Bob, right side of eng bay, outboard of the coolant overflow tank.
Richard & Betty Bark & Keiko our Golden Doodle
2003 U320T 3820 PBDS
Build # 6215
MC # 16926
2016 Chevrolet Colorado 4X4 diesel

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Reply #12
Our coach had an ether canister and a witch on th4 dash. The canister was rusted. I pulled it all out and will replace the momentary on switch with a single pole single throw to power a couple twelve volt outlets that I recently installed.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

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Reply #13

Exactly the same as ours - the canister looked like it was probably installed at the factory and hadn't been replaced in 20+ years!  I removed the old rusted can and the mounting bracket and hose/wiring - it was just in my way when I worked in the engine compartment.  I decided I should empty the canister before I tossed it in the trash.  Rigged up a way to depress the valve with a nail.  There wasn't any pressure left, but there was some liquid that drained out - less than a teaspoonful.  Smelled like ether, and quickly evaporated.

Haven't decided on a use for the dash switch - I might steal your idea!
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #14
On my '95 it's located on the drivers side at the rear of the engine compartment.  It's a white cannister.  I have used it and it still works.
You should not use it in any engine with manifold heaters or glow plugs.  If it's fitted from the factory it's OK.  Use it sparingly as it can remove the oil from cylinder walls.  Don't use the separate cans unless you are sure you know what you are doing.

Keith
Keith, Joyce & Smokey the Australian Cattle Dog
1995 U320 SE Extreme 40' WTBI Build # 4780, with a Honda CR-V hopefully still following behind.
Motorcade # 17030
FMCA # F422159

 

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Reply #15
Ours is located on the passenger side of the coach outboard of the coolant recovery tank and is a white canister. I do not plan to ever use it
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins