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Coax to rear TV Questions

1. We have a Belden-T (9100) coax with gray outer insulation running back to the bedroom TV. I has "Series 59" also stamped on it. Does mean it is RG 59?
2. Is it possible to pull an RG 6 coax in to replace it by just connecting with a barrel connector to the 59 and pulling in the 6? I am worried that there may be some kind of cable clamp on the bundle that won't allow the barrel connector to pass through.
Any advice appreciated.
We are have problems with the Joey piece of the Hopper system from Dish Network, and while it has worked fine for several months I think it would really like a better coax.
This problem started last night after a software update to Ver S418 on 11/21/13. A Google search shows others having the same problem. Service tech to be here tomorrow afternoon, but hone support acknowledges problem seems related to the new software.
In any case I would like to pull a better coax if it isn't too hard.
Is RG 6 the best quality coax?
Thanks.
Dick, '03 U320 40' Tag, 2 slides, Coach #6075
Full Timers
2009 Honda CR-V

Re: Coax to rear TV Questions

Reply #1 –
Pull the 6 if easy enough, as the copper core can carry the requisite line voltage much more easily, and thus is less likely to burn out your dish receiver as it tries to get signal to the dish LNBs...

A run of 10' or so wouldn't really notice, but after that the attenuation gets pretty severe.


Dave
1991 Foretravel Grand Villa 36'
1993 Cobra Phoenix 33'

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Reply #2 –
Cannot 'pull' new coax from front to rear, by attaching to existing and pulling. Lots of ways to run new coax, if needed. Test with new coax run loose through coach to see if it does any good.

Yes it is probably RG59, which should carry all channels to bedroom TV ok. You may have connector end problems. RG6 better for antenna to receiver than RG59, but your problem is from receiver to TV.

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Reply #3 –
Yes RG6  is the highest quality of coax cable, but there are varying levels of shielding. DO NOT USE ANY CABLE WITH COPPER SHIELDING. You can thank me later.  As to pulling the cable, does the cable pull freely? If so, you can strip off the dielectric from around the center conductor for two or three inches on the cable to be pulled and the pulling cable.  Hook those two cables together by there center conductors and pull it through.  You can use tape to fill the gap between the two cables to make it as flush as possible so there will be no edges to catch.  If this works you will need to put new ends/fittings on the cable.  If you have a technician coming I'm sure he could help you with this process.

Good luck 
David
2004 U320
This is my good stuff

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Reply #4 –
I agree with Barry and Cindy's answer. I believe it will make little difference with a run of cable that short distance, particularly from receiver to TV. Ask the Dish guy - he will be your best source of information.

I would be most interested in knowing why David says "no copper shielding".

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Reply #5 –
When replacing "F" connector ends on coax cable, the newer & better way is to use 'compression' rather than 'crimp' connectors. Lowe's has compression coax tools with choices of different connectors for different thickness of cable.

What makes coax work over a wide range of frequencies is the consistent equal distance between center wire and circular metal mesh shield. This spacing is maintained by the round insulating material between center and mesh. Crimping usually causes the mesh to be too close to center in one place. Compression does not crush the insulating material. Important to not make sharp bends in cable causing the insulating material to fail in keeping the equal distance.

With the wide range of frequencies coming in from cable TV services to homes, especially if receiving all the channels and Internet, one bad crimp or bend can degrade a group of TV channels without affecting other channels.

RG6 uses a thicker center wire as compared to RG59. Better coax cables have multiple layers of outer mesh, often with a foil between layers. Quad-shield cables with 4 mesh layers are preferred. The outer shield keeps external unwanted electrical noise from entering cable and distorting signal, so all these extra layers and foil help prevent 'holes' that the bad stuff can enter through.

Outer plastic covering keeps it all together and different outer materials designed to be fire retarded or more rigid can raise cable costs, but not add to electrical signal quality.

We buy our cable at Lowe's, Home Depot or Radio Shack.

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Reply #6 –
 Where satellite signal is involved RG6 is the only one to use.  59 cannot transport that signal sufficiently I have found in the dozens of satellite installs I have done down south.
IMHO
and, Barry is correct you will not be able to "Pull" the new wire thru by using old, but easy to install other ways.
John H
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #7 –
Well our problems with the Hopper system seemed to cure themselves. It went from unusable for two days to working perfectly the last 3 days! I suspect they may have tweaked the software update that installed the day before this problem started. :o
The Dish tech came by and we had a nice chat and he left me enough RG6 (with a messenger wire for pulling it through a chase) to replace the RG59.
Now if I can just figure out how to run it through the ceiling, over the front slide, and back to the rear TV... ???
Dick, '03 U320 40' Tag, 2 slides, Coach #6075
Full Timers
2009 Honda CR-V

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Reply #8 –
You can use the top extruded metal to go from front to back You should find an access hole in the front and another at the rear
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

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Reply #9 –
 One other way is to do what the previous owner of our U295 did for the new wires for colour back up camera etc. He most probably did not know there is a set of wires always there so what he did was run a 3/4" sch 40 pipe under the coach from engine bay to just up in front of the front Bulkhead then a 90 dec elbow on each end  to protect the wires up out running gear. He used pipe clamps along the underbelly and it has never been damaged. There is room for more wires and he did not glue the end elbows on so it would be easy to run more. He put this pipe centre but I do not see why it could not be put close to edge for convenience of install.
To allow the R60 you would only need 1/2".
John H
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #10 –
Quote from: red tractor –
You can use the top extruded metal to go from front to back You should find an access hole in the front and another at the rear

Here is a diagram of it. Wires go into bottom not the top.
The selected media item is not currently available.Barry BEAM #16014
2003 U320 40' AGDS
Beamalarm, Foretravel technical help and specifications
"Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve"
 

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Reply #11 –
Thanks for the diagram Barry. That should make it easier to understand, than my explanation .
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins