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Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

For the control panel when replacing with the new SW 3012.
I guess we got pretty good use (14 years ) out of the Prosine, but it smoked and I would rather upgrade to the nicer control panel. has anyone done this replacement and if so, did the cable that exist work with the upgraded panel?

Thanks
Chuck
Chuck & Brenda
2000 U295

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #1 –
When we replaced our Xantrex with a larger Magnum 2812 we used the same control display cable but we did have to change the factory 3 ot cabling between inverter and batteries to 4 ot.
jor
93 225
95 300
97 270
99 320

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #2 –
I had a Heart Freedom 2500 unit in my 98 and had to use the newer cable that came with the Xantrex SW2012 when I replaced it a year ago.  In my installation, it was quite simple to run the new cable.

I know a lot of people have soured on Xantrex over the years and prefer Magnum  but I am extremely happy with the newest SW series equipment. 
Robert
Build # 5304
1998 34' U270 Cummins 6CTA8.3

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #3 –
Thanks. I feel the same way. I figure 14 years is pretty good duty.
I am thinking I will have to change the controller cable as well. Hoping it will route to the basement fairly easy.
Plan to document the change out.
Chuck & Brenda
2000 U295

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #4 –
@jor, thanks, I currently have 3 8Ds so should be good to go there.
Chuck & Brenda
2000 U295

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #5 –
my Prosine failed last year and replaced it with a Magnum.  Cable worked fine between Charger/inverter and remote monitor.
Coach Build # 5862/40'/2001/U320/Motorcader 17136

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Reply #6 –
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@jor, thanks, I currently have 3 8Ds so should be good to go there.
Chuck,
  We also had three 8Ds. What I meant was the Magnum documentation indicated that the Foretravel's battery cable size between the batteries and the inverter was inadequate for the larger Magnum. The Magnum calls for a minimum size of 4 ot cabling while the cable in the 320 was 3 ot. Might not be an issue with the Xantrex.
jor
93 225
95 300
97 270
99 320

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #7 –
Quote from: jor –
Chuck,
  We also had three 8Ds. What I meant was the Magnum documentation indicated that the Foretravel's battery cable size between the batteries and the inverter was inadequate for the larger Magnum. The Magnum calls for a minimum size of 4 ot cabling while the cable in the 320 was 3 ot. Might not be an issue with the Xantrex.
jor

The Xantex SW3012 has the same issue with requiring larger cables than the factory installed on my MH which led me to stick with the smaller SW2012. 

At times I wish I had replaced the cables and gone with the larger inverter but it isn't that hard to work around.  I have pushed the 2012 well beyond the 2000 watt continuous rating and have never had any overload protection kick in or warnings.  Seems to be very conservatively rated at 2000 watts. 
Robert
Build # 5304
1998 34' U270 Cummins 6CTA8.3

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #8 –
Thanks for that clarification jor. Will definitely make that verification on the cable size.
Chuck & Brenda
2000 U295

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #9 –
We purchased our coach in July 2013. It was a consignment sale. As part of the sale FOT replaced the broken Prosine 2.0 with a SW3012. I have never looked to see if they also replaced the cables from the batteries to the inverter. The installation manual for the SW3012 shows the cable size for cable lengths of less than 5 feet to be 4/0 AWG. At the typical amps of 320 shown in the manual, the voltage drop would be approximately 1.5 percent. The installation manual for the SW3012 also shows the cable size for cable lengths of 5 feet to 10 feet to be 4/0 AWG. At the typical amps of 320 shown in the manual, the voltage drop would then be approximately 3.0 percent. At the voltage drop of 3.0 percent, cable length of 5 feet or less would require a cable size of less than 2/0 AWG. I suspect there is a mistake in the installation manual. However, before changing the cables I would recommend that you call Xantrex and ask the recommended cable size for the length of your cables from the batteries to the inverter.
Larry and Terry
Ex 2004 U270 36'

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #10 –
I talked to Xantrex technical service today. The Xantrex representative said that the Installation Manual I was using was updated. The recommended cable size for a SW3012 with a cable length of greater than 5 feet is 400 MCM AWG. I looked up the 400 MCM in a cable table and the 400 MCM equates to a 6.7/0 AWG wire size.
Larry
Larry and Terry
Ex 2004 U270 36'

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #11 –
I removed the 2500 and installed the SW3012. After a quick visual, I am not sure how to route the cable into the coach to replace the old control panel. I also am having issues with the Water heater in electric mode (works in LP) so I called to schedule an appt in NAC. Not sure what is happening there, I think I have an appointment for march 19th, but don't seem to get call back verification about that, but never the less, if you have some input on the cable routing or have done it, I would appreciate your feedback.

The SW3012 works great and seems to last much longer before starting the Generator. (maybe imagination)
Here is a before and after shot, it is a couple inches taller, but mounted great.
Chuck & Brenda
2000 U295

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #12 –
I don't know the exact setup of your coach compared to mine but I ran the communications cable through the water heater access hole and brought it over to the plumbing manifold area. There were already romex and plumbing penetrations under the wardrobe cabinet so I used ran it into one that was caulked well (or you could easily just drill a small hole). 

Once it was inside the cabinet area, I removed all of the cupboard shelves and slipped it up the left wall of the cupboard between the luan panels which is where the factory had run the piece of romex for the Powerwatch monitor.  I pulled/removed the romex for the Powerwatch back to the ice maker area and capped it off in a junction box and fished the Xantrex cable through the unused romex hole.  The new Xantrex panel offered far more information than the Powerwatch so I didn't see the point in keeping it and created a new luan panel for the Xantrex unit in the same location.

Hopefully this will make sense to you if you haven't figured out a way to route things yet.
Robert
Build # 5304
1998 34' U270 Cummins 6CTA8.3

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #13 –
If your 2500 was Freedom model, the panel cable is reusable for Magnum and other inverter/chargers. Did you try to reuse the original RJ11 data cable>

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #14 –
Thanks for that routing info I will look at that as an option.
Barry, I tried the RJ11 cable and got no indications at all from the control panel. It appears that they are using the standard 10BaseT configuration. I thought about building a cable adapter as well.

Thanks for sharing
Chuck & Brenda
2000 U295

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #15 –
Chuck, thanks, I see the Xantrex charger/inverter interconnection is the same as an Ethernet cable.

I read your charger and control panel manuals, but don't see charger parameter adjustments. Do you know if you can get your hands on the technical manual that shows how to configure the charger?

Every coach is different, and we have run Ethernet cable for some wire runs, connecting both ends to a RJ-45 8-wire breakout box (looks like a square telephone termination block), and connecting other wires from meter, battery or whatever to breakout box screw terminals.

Re: Prosine 2.5 failed and I was looking to see if anyone has reused the wiring

Reply #16 –
Hi Barry, Sorry for the late response. I do have that manual. I got 3 manuals with it, Tech guild, install, and user. I will try to scan the setup info to pdf this weekend and email it to you.

Cheers
Chuck & Brenda
2000 U295
 

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Reply #17 –
Barry,
The manuals for the Xantrex SW3012 are available for download on the Xantrex website. When FOT installed our SW3012 they lost the manuals that came with the inverter/charger. I downloaded them from the Xantrex. I am not sure what you mean by charger parameters, but if you mean type of battery (Gel, Flooded, AMG), amp hours of batteries, and other such settings, the instructions are in the operators guide. The guide to the Xanbus SCP is also available for download and provides information to the setup and operation of the control panel.
Larry
Larry and Terry
Ex 2004 U270 36'