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Reply #25
Can you guys give me model numbers on the Haier's you used?  Did you compare power consumption with the Whirlpool?
BJ Holden
'98 U320 36'
Motorcade #16754

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Reply #26
my Haier is discontinued (counter depth 35 5/8 wide, French Door) - didn't worry re electrical consumption - they are all very good these days, and I will be adding solar when I go full time..
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

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Reply #27
again enjoying the ammonia smell...

Not sure if I did this correctly, but this is a link to the prior discussion about refrigerators.

It's the Haier Model #HA10TG20SB.  10.3 cu. ft.  We paid $349 at the time (7/5/2013).

Thanks,
Chris
1996 U295 36' WTBI

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Reply #28
Couple of questions for Bogeygolfer and John Haygarth.  I notice from the nice pics you guys posted that John installed on the left of the opening and Bogeygolfer on the right.  Any particular reason for those choices?  Also noticed that the fridge sticks out a couple inches in both.  I'm presuming that is to clear the hinge so the door can be opened?  Which way did each of you choose to swing the door?
Bogeygolfer, I think you had yours installed at Cutting Edge in Houston?  Did you have them do the whole job of removing the old Dometic and install the Haier, and how many hours of labor did they charge you?  Might be worth a trip to Houston.
I think I will be getting this done pretty soon so I'm trying to get some of the details nailed down that I will need to decide on. 
Went to Lowe's in Bismarck today to get a small fridge to get me through until I can get the new one installed, so I also looked at the Haier HA10TG20SB that was there (actually it was a HA10TG30SW) for $378, but I was disappointed to see that it had a can rack in the door instead of a shelf.  I don't drink sodas at all, so that is totally wasted space for me.  Haven't been able to find a version that has a shelf instead.  I did find that they had a 10.7cf Whirlpool model available for order (WRT111SFAW) that looks good on paper but is a bit larger so I'm not sure whether it will fit.
BJ Holden
'98 U320 36'
Motorcade #16754

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Reply #29
Sorry for the late reply!  Yes, we had our done at Cutting Edge in Baytown upon the recommendation of Rudy Leggett and we were very pleased.  I really can't say enough good things about our experience there - they helped me fix a couple of other problems that had been impossible for others to fix. 

Our invoice reads as follows:

"R&R Refrigerator, removed window for refrigerator exit point, stain and install wood for trim....6 hours"  the piece of walnut was an additional $75.

As for the position: I think the right side just allowed the doors to swing open fully.  Not being in the coach right now, I can't remember exactly, but I think if it was left-justified there was some problem with the doors opening all the way.  Also I looked at Rudy's (he has a sliding pantry built in to the left of the fridge) and just liked how everything worked.

We, too have the soda holders in the door and we use them; but yes, I agree that shelves  there would be much better overall.  I think one of the only regrets I have about the residential is that there are fewer specifically-designed spaces for RV-type use.  For example, the original fridge had nicely-designed shelves that would hold things in place while traveling.  This one has much more space, but unless you have it packed pretty full things will probably move around in the big space inside.  Well worth the tradeoff, in my opinion.
1996 U295 36' WTBI

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Reply #30
 Reason for left position on ours was I figured the pantry would be used more than fridge during day so closer to sink/counters etc. The door does not open full 90 deg + but good enough to get crisper tray out for access and cleaning. Door swings to left so you can get in it from cook top side. The finished install is not a problem for use even though the door is comprimised a tad. I would not change decision if I had to do it again. I was on my own doing job other than a neighbour helping to carry old one out the door, and figure I had it done in 3 days(fridge & cabinet) but waited a couple weeks for the pantry door to be made to match others.
Good change from original. Our fridge door has milk etc shelf at bottom and an upper rack for other things.
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
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Reply #31
See below the containers we found and modified, for the inside of our Whirlpool fridge to keep items in place and to make better use of the fridge. We also put spring bars on each shelf before we travel to prevent items from falling out when opening the fridge door after we stop. (We also put spring bars on pantry shelves for the same reason).

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Reply #32
Nice, thanks for the ideas!
1996 U295 36' WTBI

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Reply #33
I just got finished replacing our RM 7130 with a Samsung 18cu ft model. The Dometic was heavy. Window removal was a breeze. Rented a hand cranked lift ($40/day) to lower old unit from window. With all doors and shelves removed, the Samsung was easily lifted thru the window by 3 guys. Window reinstall was a breeze. Really, the most complicated part was the cabinet preparation. only think left to do is trim it out. Going to use the matching wood panels from Dometic to make trim. Will post some pics.
Steve & Ginny Hill
96 U295 36'/Wrangler
Tampa

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Reply #34
If you 7130 has good door latches, I would be very interested in buying them from you.  They are obsolete and no longer available.  I'm about to have build a pair of them, and that won't be pretty!
Current coach 1996 U320 40'
Previous coach, 1990 36' U280

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Reply #35
Neat. Parliament "harvested" the original walnut doors to mill trim for my residential install as well
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

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Reply #36
Barry & Cindy, thank you for sharing your containers. Great idea ^.^d
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John - driving Old Faithful
1994 U280 GV
C8.3, Banks, Pacbrake, 900 watts, Resonator, XLHD tow dolly
Retired Army Warrant Officer

Life is what you make of it - if it is lemons, make lemonade!
Former Coaches:
1988 GV 40' ORED 300HP CAT - 9 years
1990 Winnebago LeSharo - 3 years
2000 Newmar London Aire - 3 years (#18 of 23 produced)

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Reply #37
Cindy just reminded me that the spring bars also allow us to open fridge, pantry & bathroom medicine cabinet while we are traveling, without having contents fall out.

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Reply #38
http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15228.0;attach=8620;image
This is what I did to stop anything falling out while underway with pantry. Adjustable 3" x 1/4" front panel on each shelf.
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #39
My wife uses the spring bars also on our Dometic refer, as the original bars did not work the best for her.
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

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Reply #40
John and Bogeygolfer - thanks for the replies with the additional information on your installations.  Photos are a great help.  Sounds like Cutting Edge was a good outfit to work with.  Did you make any changes to the fridge outside access door?  Or the vent going up?  I guess it still needs vents for cooling but the big access door would also let a lot of dust in.
John, did you install a Whirlpool, and if so what model?  Maybe I could still find one someplace. I'm trying to avoid the can rack that is in the Haier.  The Whirlpool Lowe's can order now is  WRT111SFAB which is maybe a little too big?  Has anyone successfully installed one of these without having to mod cabinets?
BJ Holden
'98 U320 36'
Motorcade #16754

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Reply #41
 BJ, it is a Whirpool and will later send model#. I have not changed lower vent but did take off roof vent and close it off, but then drilled the added piece  and installed one of the Whirley Bird type vents. My old one was breaking up (rotting). I will see how it (new vent) fairs in Jan in Mexico heat as to weather I change it for something else or??
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #42
I am having a custom marine refrigerator installed, but most of this still applies.

The installer is keeping both side and roof vents open for air flow.  The sidewall vent has a galvanized sheet added to keep water spray and wind driven rain out.  The roof vent has a thermostatically controlled 12V fan added to improve airflow when needed.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

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Reply #43
Yeah, Tom, as you know I have a marine refrigerator, too.

If I recall aright, you have two compressors, one for freezer, the other for refrigerator.

I'm not sure if your compressors are remote from the freezer/refrigerator box, or if the boxes are seperate.

I have a single compressor for a 12cf box. Its on a shelf next to our freezer/refrigerator box. I did it this way to have more cf in the freezer.

Foretravel roof and side freezer/refrigerator vents are open.

Even in very hot weather the freezer/refrigerator maintains a cold freezer/freezer/refrigerator box as we go down the road.  No fan needed. Typically right now even parked the freezer is at 11F and freezer/refrigerator 40F. Ambient today here in the SF Bay Area is 64F at 10a. Ambient will climb once the sun burns thru the clouds.

While parked I keep  a close eye on ice buildup. The easiest way to tell I've forgotten to defrost is to see the freezer temp start climbing.

Like you I run my freezer/refrigerator on DC. (Eliminate the middle-man ;o) I do have the AC option.

All in all I'm very pleased we went marine freezer/refrigerator. It just does what its suposed to hour after hour.

I do turn the fridge down when we go to bed. Around here it will only be up to 45F by morning

best, paul
1999 U320 40' 1200 watts on roof. 12cf AC/DC Cold plate fridge/freezer. VMS 240 CL Honda Element

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Reply #44
Mine is ready to pick up, but me getting out to pick it up is day by day.  DW has health issues, keeping me from getting out of the house long enough to go and get the RV.

I went with the two compressors built into the box, taking some room away from the refrigerator.  I posted the build sheet a while back, the total is around 14cf, plenty big enough and bigger than the Dometic it replaces, and this is with four inches of insulation on all sides but the door.

I bought a wireless refrigerator/freezer thermometer with separate senders for the refrigerator and freezer so I can monitor the actual temperatures without opening doors.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

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Reply #45
Yeah, I have those wireless thermometers in the box, too.

I have the compressor outside the box so it could be worked on/replaced without pulling the refrigerator into the hall.

I hope the health issues go to the better side.

best, paul

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I bought a wireless refrigerator/freezer thermometer with separate senders for the refrigerator and freezer so I can monitor the actual temperatures without opening doors.
1999 U320 40' 1200 watts on roof. 12cf AC/DC Cold plate fridge/freezer. VMS 240 CL Honda Element

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Reply #46
BJ,

I don't know what your refrig is like regards the installation.  I'm talking about the distance between the back of the refrig and the outside wall.  The floor plans for the 98 320 36' shows the back toward the side wall.  I replaced mine with as close to original as possible when it was about 12 years old so I didn't have worry about a failure on a trip.  I did take out a window, not real difficult if you are handy.  I also borrowed a flat bed truck at the storage yard to stand on outside the window.  Take the doors off the old and new units first.  Helps to have a low sturdy table the height of the bottom of refrig cabinet.  Installation instructions said the back wall should be close but not touching the back of the refrig, so I built a false wall to close up the space.  It worked okay in Vagas in July.  If you are not handy do not attempt.  Hope the link to my old post works.  The cooling could something as simple as a dirty flue stack, ie mud daubers, etc.
Foretravel Tech Talk / Re: Refrigerator not Cooling ???  Didn't work so adding this.

Follow up to my previous post in this thread.  Installed the new refrigerator and it worked.  Replaced the Norcold 682 with a Norcold N841.  Removed the window at the kitchen table to get the old one out and the new one in.  Storage yard owner backed his flat bed truck up to the window so a couple of helpers could stand outside the window.  Removed the refrig doors and they went in and out with the door opening down.  Not very hard at all, nothing got scratched up.  Had a furniture blanket on the window opening and table.  I didn't have to do any trimming of the cabinet opening to get the new one it.  It fit perfectly. 

After removing the old refrigerator, I was somewhat appalled that Foretravel did not follow the installation instructions for the old refrig .  Usually they are very good about that sort of thing.  The area above the refrigerator was not blocked off and there was too much space behind the refrigerator.  Apparently that is important as the airflow in at the bottom and out at the top works somewhat like a chimney does.  Before I picked up the new one, I built a baffle wall to reduce the space behind the refrig.  Just a couple of pieces of wood fastened to the wall with screws and piece of thin aluminum sheet metal fastened to the wood.  I did put some fiberglass insulation behind the aluminum.  Stapled some insulation to the ceiling above the refrig and added a piece of aluminum to block off that area.  The ideal installation seems  to have the refrig as close to the back wall as possible without touching it.  Up to 1" space is okay; 1 - 2" add a couple of baffles; more than 2" build a baffle wall.  The old instructions do not mention a baffle wall, but the new instructions do.  Foretravel insulated the sides of the cabinet, a good thing, also the fit is very close on the sides which is good.  I added some metal on the side wall near the burner exhaust where the foam was melted.  It doesn't extend along the side of the refrig though as that would transfer heat into that area.  The trim around the front of the new refrig is not quite as wide as the old trim.  The wood outside the old trim is darker than what was under the old trim.  Didn't look good, so masked off a small strip down the sides and painted it black.  Needless to say both the old and new refrigerators went in and out of the cabinet several times, before everything was correct.  This would have been a real problem without the little table level with the bottom of the opening.

Started the refrig at 10:30 am with the temp setting at 5 (range 1-9), shut off the generator and air conditioning and went home.  Returned at 7 pm 8 1/2 hours later; coach interior 106 F, outside 99 F, Freezer 0 F, Refrig  39 F.  At 10:30 am the next morning coach interior 91 F, outside 87 F, freezer -2 F, refrig 37 F.  I think it is working okay.  I have no fans, but nothing was in the refrigerator and the doors stayed closed.  The temperature shot up to about 50 F in the refrig shortly after opening the door. 

There are some differences between the old and new.  Some of the plumbing on the back is different but the major parts are in the same places.  An overheat sensor has been added near the burner area.  There is supposed to be an audible alarm for door open, no flame, no ac, etc  I haven't heard it, but the visual indications work as advertised.  The manuals are rather hard to use, all the illustrations are on the last pages after the french section.  The wiring diagrams have lots of numbers and letters that have to be looked up in the middle of the book.  Finally printed out that page from the website to make it easier.  Norcold does have a manuals section on their website. 

Inserts for the door are purchased separately and the old ones are not wide enough for the new doors.  I made my own from 1/4" oak plywood which is 7/32" thick, still too thick as 3/16" is specified as the correct thickness for an insert.  Plywood will work though if the edge thickness is reduced with a belt sander on the back side.  There is still space between the panel and the door in the middle area.  I choose plywood over plastic as it is has slightly better insulating qualities.  Sealed both sides with 2 coats of thin dewaxed shellac and 3 coats of Miniwax satin finish polyurethane on the good side.  Light sanding between coats.  Shellac is not water resistant, but it does slow down the movement of moisture in and out of the wood.  The color match with what is in the coach is very close.
Jerry Whiteaker former owner 96 U270  36' #4831 Austin,TX-Owner Mods LCD TV w/front cabinet rebuild - LCD TV bedroom - Dual Central AC, either can cool coach w 30 amp - Skylights at roof AC openings - Drop ceiling for ducting of AC - Shower skylight white gelcoat/wood/epoxy frame - Air Springs/Shocks replaced - 2014 CRV - 8K Home Solar - Chevy Volt

 

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Reply #47
BJ,

No, we didn't change either the roof vent or the lower access door. I just replaced the roof vent a year before, and figured since it was new that I'd leave it. Also, I used VHB tape from 3M to attach it, so I'm not looking forward to removing it. I thought some circulation might help as well. 

I also did nothing to the lower vent door. I think it's just fine as is, and I've noticed no bad effects from it.
1996 U295 36' WTBI