Peninsula Glass (split from Re: What did you do to your coach today III)

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Peninsula Glass (split from Re: What did you do to your coach today III)

October 04, 2014, 11:25:42 pm

Yesterday, we had our coach in for window measuring at Peninusla Glass (Motion Windows). Six to seven weeks out! Still trying to decide if I wll have them shipped and install them myself, or wait until we head back up to Canada in the Spring and have them do the install. Or rather help them do the install... They won't let me install them myself at their facility, but they would knock off $25 per window off the $100 per window install charge ( mainly want to "help" so I can be sure that the installation is done to my standards). The issue with shipping them is that it would be difficult to address any issues with the window fittment from afar... Still, I know that they have supplied many windows to FOT and Xtreme without issues. Decisions, decisions $:-\$
By the way, in case you are wondering... the quote for 9 of their 1800 series windows, reflective bronze tint where legal and one window opposite the couch as a picture window (fixed), the price is about $4600 without installation and with Washington state taxes. It would be about $650 to crate and ship to San Diego, but no Washington taxes. Leaning towards having shipped... Since our door window hasn't creeped yet, I may have them do the other 8 and just remove the door window, clean up the ooze and reseal the flange. For those who have looked at the spread sheet of Neal's upgrades, his $5000 for the Peninsula Glass upgraded windows is right on target. 9 windows in 2014 would be about $5600 installed.
Don

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Reply #1 – October 05, 2014, 02:57:49 pm

Quote from: acousticart – October 04, 2014, 11:25:42 pm

.............................For those who have looked at the spread sheet of Neal's upgrades, his $5000 for the Peninsula Glass upgraded windows is right on target. 9 windows in 2014 would be about $5600 installed...............................

Don,
We remain extremely pleased with the Motion "Peninsular" Windows.

They slide very easily, the latches are rugged and work nicely, the "Medium Grey, I think" (FT standard) privacy tint is opaque from the outside, invisible from the inside, the bronze tint in the door and the driver's window is legal in all states and does not conflict with the other tinted windows, there is no more "Creeping Creation Goop and Seals" and the thing that I didn't anticipate (the reduction in slipstream/wind noise) is the very best feature of all. Brenda wanted this upgrade because it was painful for her to even operate our old Creation windows, no matter how much I cleaned and silicone lubed them. Once installed, it quickly became one of our most appreciated upgrades.

I would do a couple of things differently:

1. Because we did the upgrade in conjunction with the "buff out" and the level 1 Extreme Painting, I did the measurements, had the windows shipped to James, I did all of the valance and day/night shade removal/installation and James did the window installation. Because I was pushing Motion HARD to get things shipped correctly and on time just before their Christmas break, I think that I created a problem. One box arrived with a broken window nested in the shipping container, nicely supported between two perfect windows. It also had a dent in the frame and no damage whatsoever on the shipping container. Now how does that happen? (Rush job mistake that a worker didn't want to "fess up" to?)
Motion paid for all of the turnaround shipping and shipped the replacement to FL where I installed it myself. With a bit of borrowed staging, after watching James do some of the others, it was very, very easy. In fact it was so easy that I did it better than Extreme, without any significant extra effort. Anyway, DO NOT fear DIY installation. I can talk anyone through it in minutes. The hardest part was measuring and ensuring that the dimensions given to Motion were correct. You screw up and you own it and have to deal with it.

2. For the copilot's window, I ordered a 1 over 1 arrangement with the 8" opening section (slides up vertically) at the bottom for cross ventilation. We do not care for the way that it slides nor for how it latches in the open position (sits crooked). We would order the original 1 over 2 pane, horizontal slide arrangement if we were to do it again.

3. I usually take the driver's screen completely out and close the window when we slow down or stop, because the screen has an annoying "shudder" when the coach is at speed. The "screen shudder" occurs whether the screen is either open or closed, if the driver's window is slid open, so I just put the screen in the closet, until we need it while parked. It's the turbulence coming off of the "barn door front", that creates the problem. The other screens don't "shudder". That's an easy work around, for an otherwise wonderful upgrade.

Neal

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Reply #2 – October 05, 2014, 11:36:05 pm

Neal,
Thanks for the review and comments about the Peninsula Glass window upgrade. I am considering the 1 over 1 arrangement for the window next to the co-pilot's chair and for the window over the kitchen sink. I see how the short bottom section being so much wider tun it is tall could cause the window to get cockeyed in the latched up position. Good info... I think I may move the D-bar slider rail on that one up from the 9" on the quote to about 16"~18" or so. I will sit down with the co-pilot and get her feelings about it (using a piece of masking tape to mark the spot so she can preview what that would look like). My thought is that the taller slider window would be less likely to get cockeyed. Also installing a second catch might be a fix for that. I am keen on the one over one arrangement because we will get more vented screen area. This is a consideration because we want to do the picture window opposite the couch, which is where I will be building the desk and side board cabinetry along that entire wall. The wide screen monitor (we don't have a "TV") will come up on a lift right in front of the window for watching movies, and retreat when we want to look out the window (which is almost always).
As regards the tint, the mirrored bronze will go nicely with the gold accents of our paint scheme (or so I am thinking). I still have a little research to do (and some more questions to ask Peninsula), but according to what Jeff Kemp (sales manager at Motion Windows, AKA Peninsula Glass), the mirrored bronze is quite effective at cutting solar heat gain and that is primarily why I (we!) are considering it so as to minimize the need to run the A/C's. This was the tint on all of the windows of their offices, and the color is subtle and dependent on the angle that the light is hitting them. We looked at samples of all the tints they offer, held them up to the coach and looked through them. I was told that the DOT required the pilots station to be almost clear. It is a very slight bluish tint called Sole that they use as a standard practice. Your comment about the bronze tint (the non reflective variety) on the door and driver's bottom windows (this one will be the "T-slider configuration as original), make me think that this could be an option for ours... I will be having further conversation with Jeff Kemp about that...

I am leaning heavily toward having them shipped so I can do the install. Since they took the measurements at their headquarters, in the unlikely event of a fitment issue that I can't correct (or am not willing to), I anticipate that Motion Windows will make it right. I appreciate you sharing your experience... if I would have planned ahead enough, I would have had the windows shipped to extreme when we did our modified level one upgrade. I ended up pushing the envelope for what could get done (adding the step conversion, extra storage compartment, painted graphics, etc.). All that I was sure about wanting initially was the headlight upgrade and decal removal... I should have known I would get upgrade fever once surrounded by the "can do" attitude of James, Rance, and Gregg.
Don

Quote from: Neal Pillsbury – October 05, 2014, 02:57:49 pm

Don,
We remain extremely pleased with the Motion "Peninsular" Windows.
Neal

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Reply #3 – October 05, 2014, 11:43:38 pm

Hey Don, I see in another post you are thinking of coming back to Canada next year so there is a reason to pick the windows up before crossing the border and come here again and we can put them in. I have done 2 of ours (replacing seals as you know) so it will be a piece of cake for us. We will be back from mexico in march and the weather is sunny by then..
JohnH

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Reply #4 – October 06, 2014, 12:12:14 am

John,
That sounds like great fun

... Only problem is that I will probably be too impatient to wait until spring

However, coming to your place for a bit sounds good! I am sure that I could find something else to tackle

Besides, the border patrol might think I am trying to smuggle the windows into Canada... Hey, maybe you can stop in San Diego on your way back... Hope to see you guys in Quartzsite anyway...
Don & Tys

Quote from: John Haygarth – October 05, 2014, 11:43:38 pm

Hey Don, I see in another post you are thinking of coming back to Canada next year so there is a reason to pick the windows up before crossing the border and come here again and we can put them in. I have done 2 of ours (replacing seals as you know) so it will be a piece of cake for us. We will be back from mexico in march and the weather is sunny by then..
JohnH

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Reply #5 – October 06, 2014, 12:17:09 am

Neil and Don, I'm interested in the gold window treatment. Is it only available at Motion Windows?

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Reply #6 – October 06, 2014, 01:40:02 pm

Richard,
I don't know specifically about other coach window manufactures, but it is a common tint in commercial glass (or so my research would indicate...). Motion windows calls the treatment we are considering "Solar Cool Bronze". I found some other RV window companies and Peninsula windows are very competitively priced. For instance, Atwood's (Easy RV Window Replacement) price for the large windows (55 ⅜"X 27 ⅞", dual pane horizontal slider with bronze tint) was $674 while Motion Windows' price for the same window was $532! Atwood gives no details about the construction or build quality of their windows. At least with Motion Windows, I have a description of their build process and materials used. Another supplier of RV glass is All-Rite (All-Rite Insulated window - RV Windows) shows a price of up to 6 sq. ft. as $960, plus 40% for insulated and plus 30% for dark grey tint (no mention of other colors). So at that rate, I am satisfied that Motion Windows meets the value AND quality quotient for this upgrade... Most importantly, I have the reports of two other Foreforum members who have gone that route and reported good results!
Don

Quote from: rbark – October 06, 2014, 12:17:09 am

Neil and Don, I'm interested in the gold window treatment. Is it only available at Motion Windows?

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Reply #7 – October 06, 2014, 08:19:44 pm

Don, my windows are good, was just wondering if the tint is a film and where one could get it for a DYI project.

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Reply #8 – October 06, 2014, 11:05:43 pm

Richard,
I believe that the tint is applied at the factory by a process that bonds the metallic oxides to the window such that it becomes part of the glass. What I have read about the process indicates that it is done before cutting and even before tempering the glass panels. I hope that this is the way Motion Windows' glass is made... I have that on my question list. I do remember reading during my web searches that the film is available for applying after the fact as well. I believe that the color is still made by the metallic oxide depositing process, but on a mylar substrate instead... at least one of the websites I came across indicated that. If I can dredge up where I saw a product of that type, I will send you a link or two.
Don

Quote from: rbark – October 06, 2014, 08:19:44 pm

Don, my windows are good, was just wondering if the tint is a film and where one could get it for a DYI project.

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Reply #9 – October 06, 2014, 11:32:37 pm

Appreciate that Don

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Reply #10 – October 07, 2014, 08:06:51 am

Really appreciate the updates on the window project. We will be replacing some of ours in the future, and it's helpful to have the information.

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Reply #11 – October 07, 2014, 10:17:08 am

Quote from: acousticart – October 06, 2014, 11:05:43 pm

I do remember reading during my web searches that the film is available for applying after the fact as well. I believe that the color is still made by the metallic oxide depositing process, but on a mylar substrate instead... at least one of the websites I came across indicated that. If I can dredge up where I saw a product of that type, I will send you a link or two.

I'd like to do the same. If you can post the link, I'd really appreciate it.

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Reply #12 – October 07, 2014, 12:38:20 pm

Here is a link to 3M window film products. It appears that they make virtually every kind there is! A lot of options... the metalized type is great for heat reduction but can cause problems with cell and TPMS reception. There are other options like a ceramic based coating that doesn't interfere with wireless reception, and hybrid types as well. I have never been a fan of the plastic window films applied because of all the discolored, air bubble filled, and probably poorly applied. Also, it seems to me that if there is plastic involved, then it will be subject to potential abrasive damage. That may well be just my prejudice

, based on no more personal experience than trying to apply an iPad screen protector... or seeing poorly installed limo tint film on rolling "boom boxes" which annoy me with thumping sounds at an intersection

Anyway, there is probably a lot more to this than I thought with all of the options available...
Don

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/

Quote from: tothetrail – October 07, 2014, 10:17:08 am

I'd like to do the same. If you can post the link, I'd really appreciate it.

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Reply #13 – October 07, 2014, 02:57:07 pm

Quote from: acousticart – October 07, 2014, 12:38:20 pm

Here is a link to 3M window film products.
Window tint & window tinting for your car or auto - 3M US

Thanks! Yes, I had a film applied to the inside of the windows of my SOB, and it turned out great. There were no bubbles or anything, the only issue was the screens got pretty beat up when they removed and re-installed them.

From what I understand, though, is the film should be applied to the outside of double pane windows. So, it would be really important to get this applied as cleanly as possible since it will be exposed to the elements.

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