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Interior vs Exterior Redo Time and Cost

What a wonderful group of folks here.  You've been a wealth of information already and have solidly placed FT as our retirement coach of choice....and with a conviction that it will be because of one of you that we ultimately find that "perfect" coach when we're ready.

So there are two interesting perspectives I'd like any of you who wish to comment on.  They're based on two coaches we've discovered to illustrate my question.  Both coaches have approximately the same total miles (in the neighborhood of 100-130,000 miles.  Both seem to have had the same level of meticulous mechanical care & investment (engine, tranny, suspension, tires, electrical).

One has what appears to be a total interior renovation but a totally original exterior.  The other has what appears to be a total exterior renovation at some point...headlight conversion....full body paint and graphics and an original interior.  Sadly both coaches would have been in the running for us but we're still a bit further out in our retirement buying cycle.

So here's what I'm interested in.  If you had a choice for two equally solid mechanical coaches with approximately the same mileage, which would take longer and cost more to update....the exterior renovation....or the interior renovation.  For the exterior let's assume full body paint and graphics and the headlight and step conversion to an otherwise "solid" exterior.  For the interior let's assume floors, recovering all upholstered areas (seats, valances, headboards, etc), all LED lighting and flat screen TV upgrades to both TV's.

Not looking for precision here....just some idea of how long we'd be without the coach and a ballpark of costs.

With this post and my two previous posts I think we'll have most of the information we need regarding economics.  From that point we'll narrow down already "ballpark" ideas of years, length's and floorplans.  Finally we'll post our "wish list" in the hopes that those of you with the "short list wish list" coaches might find yourselves in Florida. or already be here, so we can arrange a time to visit and "see and touch" in person.  Not to try and buy....just to talk FT and get a first hand look.

Thanks...again.

Randy in Florida
Randy (N4TDT) and Karen Crete
Sarasota, Florida
SOLD:  2000 U270 34' WTFE Build 5756 "Ole Red"

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Reply #1
For me I would choose the one with ext already done,I can do the interior but I cannot paint a coach.Plus you can do the int in stages.One thing to remember,unless your going full time the coach does not have to be perfect to enjoy.
96 U270 BUILD 4810
85 380SL
Drummonds TN.

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Reply #2
Randy

Interior renovations will add maybe 50% of the cost back into the value of the coach, or less. Full Body Paint, Headlights, LED Tailights, roof paint, air bags, fuel lines. etc. Add back some, but a far lower percentage of the cost back to the sell.

If I had a choice, I would lean towards the coach (like DaveM's) that has been had crazy good maintenance and upgrades on the exterior and mechanical side. Those are sunk investments that you are buying for pennies on the dollar.

Interior upgrades are the best to do yourself - Timing is not an issues - due when convenient/affordable etc. - Interior upgrades will not leave you stranded on the side of the road with an expensive problem -Interior upgrades are personal - buy getting a coach that needs some love inside, generally it will not be selling well, so price will be good, and you and your partner can make inexactly what you want -Interior costs are generally firm and predictable - easy to project, and budget. Mechanical stuff somewhat less, and things like air bags, fuel lines can be very inconvenient if you don't proactively address. Once you have done that there is no recovery of that investment to a buyer - the buyer may see value in bags/lines, but unlikely to pay a premium over normal sales price anywhere near the cost to perform the service - after all coaches are expected to have serviceable fuel lines and airbags. Big difference between new and serviceable for the end consumer, but not so much for the average buyer.

I know, people on the forum might pay more for a coach that has all the mechanical goodies and exterior upgrades, but if that was the case, DaveM's coach would not still be at MOT offered for what is a very compelling price considering the condition and upgrades.

Anywhere, others may have an equally valid view in opposition with this one.

If you see a coach you like, buy it and start using it and get to know it, then "when you close the door for the last time" you will really be ready to get going.

No, I am not getting paid to shill for DaveM, I just know the coach and see huge value for a buyer that wants a keeper and would like to do some of their own interior upgrades.
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

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Reply #3
I think the balance is what you are comfortable spending money on.  A coach earlier than 2002 benefits from headlight mods. A full paint job looks nice but at $20K or more you can get a lot of exterior detailing done and lots of interior work done and still have money left for fuel.  Lots of the interior work can be spread out over time and much can be done by you (with lots of help from your FF friends who have done it before).  After getting a Fluff and Buff last winter in NAC at Precision my lusting after a FBP went way down.  If we found one like Dave's we would have snapped it up.  Some interior work over time is minor compared to what you are getting that he has already done.  And you know, you don't have to wait until you retire.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #4
One addition factor for you'all to consider is that interior, exterior or mechanical renovation is not something I do.  As a result I need to know "who" I can trust to do the work and "how long" I need to budget to get work done.  So I'd also appreciate leads for the best folks to do the work and how long I should ballpark for the work prior to hitting the road.  Once we start I envision wanting to have at least a couple of years putting on mileage without stopping to do anything except "emergency" type work....that's why we want whatever we buy to have any cosmetics mostly done before we start.
Randy (N4TDT) and Karen Crete
Sarasota, Florida
SOLD:  2000 U270 34' WTFE Build 5756 "Ole Red"

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Reply #5
I think the balance is what you are comfortable spending money on.  A coach earlier than 2002 benefits from headlight mods. A full paint job looks nice but at $20K or more you can get a lot of exterior detailing done and lots of interior work done and still have money left for fuel.  Lots of the interior work can be spread out over time and much can be done by you (with lots of help from your FF friends who have done it before).  After getting a Fluff and Buff last winter in NAC at Precision my lusting after a FBP went way down.  If we found one like Dave's we would have snapped it up.  Some interior work over time is minor compared to what you are getting that he has already done.  And you know, you don't have to wait until you retire.
NAC at Precison?
Randy (N4TDT) and Karen Crete
Sarasota, Florida
SOLD:  2000 U270 34' WTFE Build 5756 "Ole Red"

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Randy, for all mechanical & interior renovation closer to home, Paul Yasbeck in Leesburg (central FL) is the man....a former FOT tech, has a top notch construction firm so can do it all, is an artist with interior work, & is mechanically adept at everything Foretravel.  Once you get your coach, that should be the first stop for any necessary work...interior/exterior can wait but you want a mechanically sound coach, he's the guy to check that out for you.  His cell number is 813-382-0869.

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Reply #7
Precision Detail in Nacogdoches, TX.  They really do nice work if you are there but there are likely many more in other locations.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #8
I think the balance is what you are comfortable spending money on.  And you know, you don't have to wait until you retire.

Well said, Rog. While an income is still there, bit by bit, a coach can be brought to individual  specs as "fun money" is available. I know ours was stripped, re-painted & striped at a cost of 15K. I also know, prolly close to 10K was spent on exterior/interior upgrades, so when we bought the old dear, she was "road ready". Yes, we paid high dollars for her, but no regrets, 'cause I knew what had been done!  ^.^d
1993 U-240 "La Villa Grande"..CAT 3116 w/ Pacbrake PRXB...Allison 3060 6-speed..
Previous: 1983 Airstream 310 turbo diesel, 1979 Airstream 280 turbo diesel
                                      Build # 4297
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                        DW Judy & Chet the wonder dog
                        Full-Timers 'Sailing the asphalt sea'

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Reply #9
Our coach exterior was done by Precision Painting in Breman, IN in 2008.  They charged $2,800 for updated headlights, $1,000 to paint the roof and $13,500 for full body paint (Diamond Shield protection film, 4-5 colors, 3 coats of clear coat).  All the roof "parts" (AC shrouds, etc.) and awing covers were also painted to match the main body paint.  We recently bought the coach and the owner, previous to the one we bought from, sent us a file with receipts, including the paint.  The coach could pass as a new one.  I also have a photo of what it used to look like - huge difference.  I would agree with the others that responded that you can do the interior piecemeal, but the exterior is a major step that has to be done at "one sitting".  If I hadn't come across this coach, but one that was original, I don't think I would have done the exterior; I like both versions, but I'm told that the low headlights could be a problem.
The value of meticulous maintenance can not be understated.  Mine was well cared for and sheltered up until the last 18 months or so.  The most recent owner neglected it (illness, unfortunately) and I've been getting dirty everyday getting it road worthy again.
Good luck.  Finding a coach is fun, but traveling great distances to buy/not buy, not so  much.
Sven
2000 U320 mid entry  #5688
2006 Jeep Liberty


USMCR retired
SDFD retired
FEMA US&R TF8

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Reply #10
When it was 116° in North Dakota last summer I was glad I didn't have a much warmer coach painted in darker colors.  White is pretty cool. We know a fellow with Phenix, black or nearly so, almost no opening windows, at 70° they run AC all the time, they have to.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #11
I would buy the one with the exterior done, there are only so many headlight mods and unless you go crazy only so many stripes so it's hard to get it wrong. The interior is so much more variable in my mind when you remodel that it would be better to have the remodel inside done with all your own choices to fit you. Ie floor material and colour as well as changing cabinetry and hardware and furniture etc.
Toby a 94 u280
Cummins 8.3
6 speed Allison
Exhaust brake


Adopted by Derek and Annabelle

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Reply #12
It depends - if an interior has been redone and is to your liking and in very good condition, well, you have to live with that all the time.  Most of the exterior (paint) is nice but not necessary (it's cosmetic, doesn't wear out like fabrics and appliances).  Headlight conversion can be a useful improvement, even in a 2002-6 if you drive at night.

I would rather have a really nice interior with the fabrics/ultraleather/appliances that are newer and fresher and my taste/usability than a fancy new paint job.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #13
This repeats some of my earlier postings but I was exactly where you are now.  But I was in a hurry to get going so I spent more than a few coach bucks to get what I wanted.  That said I was a little too trusting and naive and probably spent more than I should have or needed too.  With the base done I have started on my own work to redo generator and engine compartments, separating the radiator, etc.

I divided my coach into three distinct phases.  The interior, exterior and mechanical.  Phase one I had virtually all of the mechanical pieces commonly noted in the posts you find here.  Fuel lines, heater line, air bags, air auxiliary pump and fittings, transmission work and changed to transynd, all fluids and filters including the differential and axel, oil, coolant to OAT, resonator, Koni shocks and most recently spring assists and bearing seals.  Currently about 20k.  This does not include a maintenance issue I won't address here with a steering box, that needs to be separate, and the fluid changes after the first 6,000.

The second and most unsatisfactory phase was the interior.  We were recommended to one of the coach works in Nac.  We had the floor done as the rug was a non starter for us because of health issues.  We also had minor upholstery work done and the TV mod done as well.  The upholstery was great but the floor had significant short comings resulting in rework at FOT.  Loved the work FOT did and wish I had paid the extra and had them do it in the beginning.  The interior folks also had an independent come out to replace the Sat antenna for us.  Unfortunately they installed the new antenna but left all of the fastener holes open from the first antenna and of course in the heavy rain water leaked into the coach.  To top it off the Hadleys no longer work, they backed the coach out and broke one of them in half.  Unfortunately I have difficulty climbing on the roof and did not catch these things in time.  Not part of this phase is the work we had done at FOT to make the space under the fridge into a pull out drawer and the addition of a pull out pantry.  The flooring was one hundred a foot and you supply the materials.  In our case, I wanted engineered hardwood.  We also had the windows resealed at Suncoast.

Phase three went the best of all the work we had done.  We took the coach to RV Stripes and Graphics in Apache Junction, Arizona.  Steve and his father run an excellent business and are a joy to work with.  He stripped the decals and then we took it to European Detail in Scottsdale.  Perry does the detail work for Barret Jackson auction.  He used a four part process to restore the gel coat.  The work was superb and the shine quite unbelievable.  Steve then applied the decals.  By the way if you use them they both allow you to overnight and Steve has 50 amp.  The charge on decal removal and reapplication would be right at 3200.  I had other work done to customize the back of the coach.  The work on the gel coat was 1,100.  I unhesitatingly recommend either of these business.

Would I do the same thing again.  Nope.  I had a good PDI with Brett and understood what would be involved but afterwords I would have had the coach gone through at either MOT or FOT for a complete list and then looked at vendors for the jobs that needed to be done on the chassis.  I had to have the carpet out but would have spent the extra grand or so at FOT.  Remember that when you read this or any other experience on the site all vendors recommended should be viewed through the lens of caveat emptor and at arms length.  I base lined my purchase at 28,500 and have probably put another 32,000 into updating, repairing etc.  I am fine with the price as it stands because it is a lovely machine and I know what I have and have what I wanted.  It has already brought many happy moments and we have no plans of moving larger or more current.  It is in the end my 57 Chevy.

George and Steph
1997 U270 36 Build 5081 "Honu"
1180w Solar 400A lithium all Victron house system
Motorcade 17670, SKP 128300, FMCA F459019
73 VW Camper, 79 VW Camper, 2363 Sunline, and an Arctic Fox 25P

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Reply #14
In my opinion, Dave's coach for sale at MOT has been upgraded in the interior. It has newer TVs, tile flooring, large residential refrigerator, upgraded light fixtures (look at bathroom mirror) and ceiling. The only thing that could be considered outdated would be the sofa and window valancies. And even those items are purely personal preferences.
Larry and Terry
Ex 2004 U270 36'

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Reply #15
In my opinion, Dave's coach has had more money spent on it to update and Preventative Maintain it than any other. Dave has done things that most would not do until something broke. This coach as it sits is worth way more than asking, but it is a buyers market in reality.
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #16
Totally Agree. I was just pointing out that while the TVs and Refrig are updated in Daves coach, the original upholstery is showing signs of wear, which could be easily and inexpensively (relatively....)  changed out to the taste of the new owner. Frankly, at the current asking price, that is the only possible reason I can think of that the coach has not sold. Especially to someone from the forum who understands the investments Dave has made to make this coach better than new.

Anyway - this is way off the thread - sorry!!!
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

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Reply #17
I heard from Dave that his coach SOLD yesterday.  I'm happy for him and only wish I could report I was the buyer! :(
Randy (N4TDT) and Karen Crete
Sarasota, Florida
SOLD:  2000 U270 34' WTFE Build 5756 "Ole Red"

 

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Reply #18
Great news and buy my way of thinking long overdue
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)