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Reply #250
I had bad luck with Samson but it could have just been a one time incident. The sidewall gave up after just 2 years.
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Reply #251
I would steer clear of Chinese tires, they have a tendency for substituting inferior materials and "cooking the books" after "testing" has been approved. Kinda like the mystery meat you get at the Chinese buffet. Kinda looks like beef, kinda tastes like beef, but it's got this weird wang you can't quite identify. BTW where did all of the radioactive steel from Chernobyl disappear to, you guessed it, Chinese contractors salvaged it.
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Reply #252
I am not a fan of "China-Bombs", they have been heavily used on 5th wheels.  Prone to parts being left on the highway and many conversations in their forums.

John
John and Stacey Smith
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Reply #253
I've got a few Sampson tires on one of my pick-ups. I have them because of tire failures on the road and it's an unusual size and it's what the random dealers carry. I've had a problem with one that would not balance and one was maybe out of round or had a cord failure. The good ones are okay. Seems I have blowouts in up state NY and Penn. because of bad roads and have to get replacements where I can. As I said the good ones are fine, the defective ones maybe mean that the QC is not too good at the factory.


wantabe

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Reply #254
Lots of tires made in the U.S. but Goodyear is about the last American company left with Cooper under foreign ownership since purchased by an Indian firm in 2015

Here is where the tires tested by Consumer Reports are made: Where Are Your Tires Made? - Consumer Reports

How to read the DOT codes for country of manufacturer, date, etc: Which Tires are Made in the USA? | Tundra Headquarters Blog

Interesting that with all of their Michelins, none were made in France.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
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Reply #255
decided to replace with these tires, got six today.

Michelin, 275/80/22.5, Z X Line energy (XLEZ H), Made at Michelin in Canada, 15/17 date

Highly recommend Steven at Herman Power for installation service.  Explained to me what he found when removed the old, how the valve stem fits in a steel dual inner wheel, asked what pressure I wanted and he said is exactly what he would have used if I  not known, 110/90 psi.

good hunting.  and thanks Pierce for the other code info.
Mike
2001 U320 4010 Build 5878 (Gus)
Wrangle Unlimited Toad
Nacogdoches

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Reply #256
Well I got experience with the 295/75R22.5 M154 Toyo's from Tucson up to Prescott, and unfortunately the front tires were rubbing the airbag platforms (and the airbag when it was compressed going around a corner.)

Dave: Do you know why your Toyo  295/75R22.5 M154 tires were rubbing on the front.
Other folks have posted that Toyo  295/75R22.5 M177 tires are OK on the front.
Is the rubbing Toyo M154 occurring because the M154 is wider than the M177, or is your front axle different (or configured differently) than the other coaches which can run 295 M177 tires?

A Toyo dealer in Victoria told me that the Toyo M154 tires is better for a motorhome than a Toyo M177 because the M154 is more stable.
Wyatt
96 U320 40 WTFE, build 4943
84 Toyota Supra towd
2015 Jeep Wrangler towd
Victoria, BC, Canada

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Reply #257
A Toyo dealer in Victoria told me that the Toyo M154 tires is better for a motorhome than a Toyo M177 because the M154 is more stable.
Wyatt,

Wonder what he meant by "stable?" Good catch all word but think we need a better description than that. Might be good to call the U.S. headquarters and ask what the difference might be.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
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SBFD (ret)

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Reply #258
Michael and jackie:  my exact weighed tire pressure on my fronts with LRH Xza-3+ is 97 psi.

The driving experience was noticeably different at changes of 5 pounds max.  Many oweners swore they could tell 2 psi.

Smoother ride is why I went LRH instead of the LRG that actually was within specs.

Difference was minus 10 psi for the same loads. 

My rears are 87 btw
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
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Reply #259
When I read the tire model descriptions on the Toyo website, there appeared to be little difference between the M154 and M177, however, the M154 has a deeper tread and is better in "highest-scrub environments".

M177
LONG-HAUL STEER TIRE
The M177 is a deep 18/32" steer tire designed for long-haul operations. The excellent wear in miles per 32nd with minimized irregular wear, combined with the deep 18/32" tread depth, results in maximum removal mileage.

M154
LONG-HAUL, REGIONAL, AND URBAN DEEP ALL-POSITION TIRE
The M154 is a deep all-position tire designed for regional and urban service in the highest-scrub environments. Excellent, even wear in miles per 32nd and a deep tread up to 22/32" deliver maximum removal mileage, even in the drive position.

I believe by "highest-scrub environments"  Toyo is referring to a unique buttress protector designed to reduce cutting and curb damage to the sidewall.

My choice based on these descriptions would be the M177 (18/32 tread) for my motorhome, not the M154 (22/32 tread) because I will never wear out the 18/32 tread, while less tread equals less diesel per mile. Also, I do not often rub my tires on curbs so do not need the a high scrub tire.
Wyatt
96 U320 40 WTFE, build 4943
84 Toyota Supra towd
2015 Jeep Wrangler towd
Victoria, BC, Canada

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Reply #260
Agree, less tread depth is a plus for an RV.  Better handling/less squirm.
Brett Wolfe
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Reply #261
Bob, thanks.  I do have H range tires, and that handles a bit more weight than the G

However, my weight chart puts me at about 107-110 psi.  I would like to run a bit less but admonition on Forum seems consistent to be at top of psi for my weight

Interesting, tech folks that had been at FOT said in the day this coach came from the factory at at 95 psi front.  I wonder if different tires?

But you probably are very aware too of what new shipped with.....you think it was 95 psi?  And why did that if weight chart said 105+?

Mike
2001 U320 4010 Build 5878 (Gus)
Wrangle Unlimited Toad
Nacogdoches

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Reply #262
What is your front axle weight?  Not judging. Just learning.

So you are at 13,300 pounds?

G's would be 12,300
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #263
Yes Bob, give or take a 100 lb variation.  Have weighed about eight times
Mike
2001 U320 4010 Build 5878 (Gus)
Wrangle Unlimited Toad
Nacogdoches

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Reply #264
Your front axle weighs roughly  2,000 pounds more than our non slide 97. 

Interested in your drive report
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: Tires

Reply #265
Well I got experience with the 295/75R22.5 M154 Toyo's from Tucson up to Prescott, and unfortunately the front tires were rubbing the airbag platforms (and the airbag when it was compressed going around a corner.)

Dave: Do you know why your Toyo  295/75R22.5 M154 tires were rubbing on the front.
Other folks have posted that Toyo  295/75R22.5 M177 tires are OK on the front.
Is the rubbing Toyo M154 occurring because the M154 is wider than the M177, or is your front axle different (or configured differently) than the other coaches which can run 295 M177 tires?

A Toyo dealer in Victoria told me that the Toyo M154 tires is better for a motorhome than a Toyo M177 because the M154 is more stable.

No idea why the M154s were rubbing, and the dealer where I got the front tires changed to Michelin had never heard of that problem (but he probably didn't see many Foretravel U270s either...)  Only thing I can conclude is that the M154s are wider, since the current 275/80R22.5 Michelins are fine.  At first I thought that maybe the axle mounting bolt holes had some adjustment play (they don't seem to have any), but if the axle was moved forward much at all, I estimated that the Toyo tires would have rubbed on the front airbags.  It may be that our U270 has slightly different airbag mounting dimensions than the U295s and U320s, but that's just a guess.
Dave and Nancy
1999/2013 U270 36' Xtreme
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Reply #266
Mike I would run 110 on my steer tires in my old coach.
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Reply #267
Long ago my customers and I found a way we thought that was pretty accurate to verify the then current 9r and 10r22.5 tires in the OREDS and the Michelin pilots on the unihomes tire pressure, would be interesting to see if the newer tires design would still show what the old tires did.

You all might laugh and the new tires more modern design might not show this but who knows.

I used to run coaches through a water puddle then immediately on to dry fresh concrete. 

As we rolled forward the tire water marks would slowly dry out..

If you were seemingly overinflated the edges of the tire tracks would lighten earlier than the center.  Opposite if under.

A slight arc in the path would prevent the rears covering the fronts.

As tire pressures were a constant discussion because of over inflation issues I did this test many, many times sometimes more than once a day.

Everyone was amazed as changing the tire pressure  five pounds or less altered the water pattern.

No idea if this will show on these much better tire tech but it seemed to work long ago and gave a real test to back up the percentage of load/percentage of sidewall max load we used then to figure the correct pressures.

The current Michelin charts have a sliding scale in the load versus pressure chart.  Not a straight line.

Be interesting to see if anyone can see if this still works.

Or laugh at this.  Seemed to work well long ago. 

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

 

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Reply #268
We have the Toyo M177's and they do not rub but,I also have all new torque rod bushings on all 5 rods in front,this may make a
difference even if it's 1/8 of an inch.Not sure if it would but my bushings were well worn and a 1/8" move toward rubbing or not
is alot.
96 U270 BUILD 4810
85 380SL
Drummonds TN.