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Re: air throttle problem

Reply #25 –
Inner cable or shroud?    My  outer shroud was cracked and the inner cable moved too much.  Some engineering repaired the outer for better function.

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #26 –
Howard,

Thanks for clarifying your situation.  Now that I know the circumstances surrounding your breakdown, I understand your dilemma.  We (the members on this Forum) may sometimes sound like we're getting impatient or aggravated when we respond to another member's problem.  We don't mean to sound that way.  We just really hate to hear about someone who is (we assume) being taken advantage of by inept mechanics or repair shops.  We may see a problem as being very simple or easy to handle, either because we have "been there, done that", or because we have first hand knowledge of a proven solution.

In your position, however, what might be a simple problem becomes more complex.  You are having to deal with it remotely, talking long distance to mechanics who have little or no experience with the system.  When you are forced into that kind of "hard place" you have to do the best you can with the resources at your disposal.  Sounds to me like that's what you are doing.

If the repair shop keeping your coach was, for any reason, totally unable to find a solution, there is a possible alternative.  The Forum members have had very good luck with a mobile mechanic who operates in the SE Texas area.  His name is Beau Reece, and he is very familiar with all Foretravel coaches.  I know this would be a touchy subject  - bringing another mechanic into the picture.  But if the shop throws up their hands, they might be willing to accept the help.  Anyway, keep his name on file for future reference.  Hopefully, calling him will not be necessary.

Reece mobile service, Cushing, TX

Reece Mobil Service
beaureece@yahoo.com
936-221-2055
936-326-4360

269 S. 6th. Street
Cushing, Tx
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #27 –
Chuck - Thanks - I have seen Reece mentioned many times in the forums - Good alternative.  I believe thru a earlier post by Roland which took me to Wanderlodge - Valley truck repair (or something like that) in St Joe Missouri have done cable fabrication.  Spoke to them today and they thought they could do it - put the mechanic in touch with them so we will see.  Also gave them a copy of Rolands modification of a shorter cable he was able to get from foretravel. 
The good news is I am not due back in Texas for another 6 weeks - Foretravel is there and I am not paying any storage charges :).
Howard & Rose
92 U225 GV - 36'  - Build # 3989
2003 Honda Civic
95 Jeep Wrangler
2018 Winnebago Travato 59K
4 Chihuahuas

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #28 –
Just an update on replacing accelerator cable.  Mechanic says they found a cable, did not say where they got it, but that it was to short.  They are doing a mod to try to make it work.  Have sent them the mod that was shown in this group.  If it gets fixed I will try to find out where they got the cable from and how they fixed it.  Always good to know that there may be some cables out there.
Howard & Rose
92 U225 GV - 36'  - Build # 3989
2003 Honda Civic
95 Jeep Wrangler
2018 Winnebago Travato 59K
4 Chihuahuas

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #29 –
If just too short, really not that big a job to move the Bendix unit closer to the engine's throttle.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #30 –
Quote from: wolfe10 –
If just too short, really not that big a job to move the Bendix unit closer to the engine's throttle.
Exactly what I did. Easy peasy.
Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #31 –
Update to accelerator problem.  We just got back to Texas and picked up the RV.  Left the Foretravel at repair shop in Spring, TX, for two and a half months while we went back home.  Copied them on all the info received from this group.  Turned out the cable snapped.  The shop was able to get a a new, but shorter cable from Foretravel. They said it was their last one. They moved the Bendix unit closer to the engine throttle.  Wish I had the RV with me - I think I could have done the repair for considerably less but was thankful that it was repairable and they held it for 2 months at no charge.  Thanks to this group for the help - not sure the shop could have done it without you.  I know I could not. If the pictures show up please do not look to closely at the insulation in the engine.  A cat got in the compartment and did a number on the insulation.  First picture is where the bend used to be - the second is where they relocated it.
Howard & Rose
92 U225 GV - 36'  - Build # 3989
2003 Honda Civic
95 Jeep Wrangler
2018 Winnebago Travato 59K
4 Chihuahuas

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #32 –
Howard,

Glad to hear you got yer throttle fixed, but sorry to hear that FOT sold their last NOS cable.  Another "source" for old GV parts dries up.  :'(

Don't worry about showing your ragged engine compartment insulation.  Mine doesn't look much better.  In our case, it was some industrious desert rats that did the damage.  Replacing it is on my list...getting closer to the top.  When/if you decide to install new insulation, do a search on the Forum for many excellent ideas on various materials others have used. 

Word to the wise: any coach owner who has the Bendix air throttle should take very good care of the throttle cable!  You can add some external reinforcement to the sheathing if it is starting to disintegrate.  Perhaps lube the internal cable if it is getting dry?  Do anything you can to postpone the task of having to locate and adapt a new (incorrect length) cable.

My throttle cable "fix" (Reply #20 and #21):    Williams Controls WM453109 Air Throttle Valve
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #33 –
Thanks Chuck
Howard & Rose
92 U225 GV - 36'  - Build # 3989
2003 Honda Civic
95 Jeep Wrangler
2018 Winnebago Travato 59K
4 Chihuahuas

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #34 –
Not that anyone probably cares at this point but here is a picture of the old broken throttle cable (longer one) and the new throttle cable (the shorter one).  As stated above and done by others the shorter cable required relocation to make it work -  I was told by our mechanic that they got the last throttle cable, I checked with Foretravel and they had several more laying around.  So if you have the old bendix air throttle system there are some cables left.
Howard & Rose
92 U225 GV - 36'  - Build # 3989
2003 Honda Civic
95 Jeep Wrangler
2018 Winnebago Travato 59K
4 Chihuahuas

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #35 –
Thanks for adding this photo.  It is always appreciated when a member takes the time to "close out the trouble thread" and tell us exactly how their situation was rectified.  In your case, showing the actual replacement throttle cable may be a big help to someone else down the road.

Do you recall if there was any identifying numbers or markings on the new cable?  Or did it come with any paperwork that would help I.D. it?  These shorter cables had to be manufactured somewhere by someone.  If we knew the original source of the shorter cable, it might help when FOT's supply finally runs out.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #36 –
Quote from: Chuck & Jeannie –


Do you recall if there was any identifying numbers or markings on the new cable?  Or did it come with any paperwork that would help I.D. it?  These shorter cables had to be manufactured somewhere by someone.  If we knew the original source of the shorter cable, it might help when FOT's supply finally runs out.
Thread number 14 will lead you to the thread I began when I had this issue. I posted both the Foretravelers party number and a photo of the new cable with what I believe is the mfr party number although it is not very legible.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #37 –
Thanks Roland - I just wasn't sure if this cable was the same as the one you got from FOT.  I guess they are all from the same batch. 
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #38 –
Attached are two pictures: 1 is the cable with the number (Morse) and 2 the numbers from foretravel
Howard & Rose
92 U225 GV - 36'  - Build # 3989
2003 Honda Civic
95 Jeep Wrangler
2018 Winnebago Travato 59K
4 Chihuahuas
 

Re: air throttle problem

Reply #39 –
So, just to reiterate the info from Roland's and Howard's threads, here are the Bendix air throttle cable numbers:

Howard's replacement cable:  MORSE D303192-33 8IN 50422      FOT Part No. 102619

Roland's replacement cable:  MORSE D303192-33 8IN  5555      FOT Part No. 102619
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"