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Re keying bay doors

I was able to find some used bay door handles that are not bent but I need to get the lock cores out and exchange them with the ones in the bay doors (bend handle) now.  Has anyone removed the cores from these locks?  Or do I need the services of a locksmith?

George
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George Hatfield

  Never ever use World Line Motors of Nacogdoches for service!

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Reply #1 –
Lol I thought they were by design bent like that.

I also was under the impression they were all keyed the same. If you have the rekeying kit.. you can take it apart and key it to yours .. if not then I would run down to a locksmith.

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I had no keys for any of the doors.
Billy Jack at FOT was Poc. They have ring of possible keys. Another parts person. Walked out to Rv with keyring of keys. Less then 5 minutes he had cylinder and proper key identified.
So. I recommend phone call to Billy and a simple. ? How did you. Or any locksmith will show you and rekey. Note: bays and engine were same. Vr mark
1999 U270 40 #5518
USN. USPS.

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Mark...  Isn't that interesting.  While in Nac week before last I asked Billy Jack if he had a master to open the used locks I had obtained and he told me that I had to have a work order to get them to try to open my locks.  So I went looking for a service writer and none were to be found.  So I gave up.  Besides, who wants to pay the shop rate to have someone open a lock?  MOT also has a couple of "masters" but none worked in my used locks.  So I decided to wait till I got to Tucson.  I'm pretty sure that a locksmith can exchange the cores for me.  Time will tell.  I really don't need them rekeyed, just the cores exchanged.

George




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George Hatfield

  Never ever use World Line Motors of Nacogdoches for service!

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Reply #4 –
Might be a number on the cylinder. Pretty sure the key has one also. Worth a look

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Reply #5 –
I had one changed at fot before the grandvention, they let me take the key out to the coach and remove the cylinder and the parts guy installed it in a new handle I was buying. He told me it was a special key from that company that makes the locks and a locksmith would not have the special key. Curious to see what you finds it.

Keith
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2003 U320T 4025 PBBS Designer series
Build 6203    Cummins 500hp
2000 U320 4010 WTFE / Build 5762 —Sold—
Motorcade #18070   
Pasadena, Texas
2015 Jeep Wrangler Sahara-Sunset Orange pearl coat
Don't argue with a fool, people watching might not be able to tell the difference.

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See
Bay door keys

I found steel key blanks at our local hardware store after almost breaking an original in the lock. I made several copies, tested all of them and kept the original keys (brass) in the safe.  Keep the locks well lubricated and the latches clean.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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As mentioned above, I was able to buy some used bay door locks ("new" locks) which are in better shape than the ones that are now on our coach ("old" locks).  As shown above, some of the handles on our "old" locks are bent out from 20 years of use.  The "new" locks were in much better shape and basically just needed some paint.  The only problem is that I don't have keys for the "new" locks.  I thought it would be a simple matter to have someone with a core key (a master that also releases the core) switch the cores.  Easier said than done.  I've been to several RV service centers in Tucson and none have a core key for these older Trimark locks.  I also tried a couple of locksmiths.  No luck.  So I gave up on that approach, at least for time being.

Someone told me that the locks are made of "pot metal" and as such would be too brittle to bend back into shape.  The current Trimark locks are made from a "durable zinc alloy" and I suspect my year 2000 locks are similar.  The handles/locks are nonmagnetic.  I tried bending the handle in a vice and had no problem bending it back to where it should be (see pic).  However, the lock frame was also bent out from repeated use and that was a bit harder to correct, although I could improve it somewhat with the judicious use of a hammer and a block of wood. 

After I got the handle back where it should be I reinforced the back of it by bonding on a piece of SS (leftover from my mud flap modification).  I used West System Gflex 655 and used the "abrade through wet epoxy" technique to get a good bond.  The SS should prevent or at least slow down the bending of the handle.  Time will tell if the epoxy will hold.  Another thing I need to do is to stop lifting the bay door by the handle.  Better to lift it from the bottom or top of the door. 

After the bonding of the SS to the back of the handle, I painted the lock with semi-gloss enamel  (Rustoleum Professional).  See the attached photo. 
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George Hatfield

  Never ever use World Line Motors of Nacogdoches for service!

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George, have you had a look at the parts list on the Winnebago industries web site, that's where  you go for the older chrome door handles that seem to be on every older RV and camper (airstreams). There are over 700 pages of parts, overwhelming!
88 Grand Villa 36' ORED 3208 (throwaway)Cat.
 Build # 3150
Happiness is the maximum agreement of reality and desire.

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Quote from: George Hatfield –
Someone told me that the locks are made of "pot metal" and as such would be too brittle to bend back into shape.  The current Trimark locks are made from a "durable zinc alloy" and I suspect my year 2000 locks are similar.  The handles/locks are nonmagnetic.  I tried bending the handle in a vice and had no problem bending it back to where it should be (see pic).  However, the lock frame was also bent out from repeated use and that was a bit harder to correct, although I could improve it somewhat with the judicious use of a hammer and a block of wood. 
I made a couple of slotted aluminum forks to straighten our bent handles while in-place on the coach.

Quote from: George Hatfield –
After I got the handle back where it should be I reinforced the back of it by bonding on a piece of SS (leftover from my mud flap modification).  I used West System Gflex 655 and used the "abrade through wet epoxy" technique to get a good bond.  The SS should prevent or at least slow down the bending of the handle.  Time will tell if the epoxy will hold.  Another thing I need to do is to stop lifting the bay door by the handle.  Better to lift it from the bottom or top of the door. 

After the bonding of the SS to the back of the handle, I painted the lock with semi-gloss enamel  (Rustoleum Professional).  See the attached photo. 
George, Nice job. Your restored latches look great. ^.^d
Greg & Cathy
2000 U320 4010 DGFE Build #5650
Had: 1999 Tradewinds 7370

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Greg...  would you post a pic of your straightening "forks?"

Thanks in advance.

George
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George Hatfield

  Never ever use World Line Motors of Nacogdoches for service!

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My bay door handle assemblies also need some TLC. Your repair looks like what I need to do also (didn't want to write to do too).
 
I would like to paint the handles to match the color stripes that were painted on my coach by FOT. On my coach, it is the deep red/burgundy trim color. Has anyone used a spray paint that come close to that color? If so, do you recall the spray paint brand and color?
 
Thanks for any hints, tips, or observations,

Trent
Trent and Jean Eyler
2000  U295  4003  WTFE  ISC  350
Build#5603 MC#17385

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Check for Krylon FUSION paint.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
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Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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I would like to see that fork too, I have a few that need some massaging
The selected media item is not currently available.Keith & Jo
2003 U320T 4025 PBBS Designer series
Build 6203    Cummins 500hp
2000 U320 4010 WTFE / Build 5762 —Sold—
Motorcade #18070   
Pasadena, Texas
2015 Jeep Wrangler Sahara-Sunset Orange pearl coat
Don't argue with a fool, people watching might not be able to tell the difference.

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There is a master key for locks on the bay doors.  There are only a few and they are available on Ebay.  If you can get the makers name and model number you should be able to find one that fits all the locks in the series.  That's how I found a key for the small lock on the entrance door handle.  It's a "F" master.

Keith
Keith, Joyce & Smokey the Australian Cattle Dog
1995 U320 SE Extreme 40' WTBI Build # 4780, with a Honda CR-V hopefully still following behind.
Motorcade # 17030
FMCA # F422159
 

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My recent viisit to ACE HARDWARE was a success for those of you who may be looking for key blanks to make copies of your bay door keys.

Bay Door key blanks that worked for my 1999 40 ft. Foretravel.
Trimark key blanks are available at ACE HARDWARE.  The cross reference blanks that were successful for my keys are as pictured:

Trimark key blank # TM7 or the Ilco key blank # 1607
Chuck Wiggy
Coloma, Wisconsin
Sold my 1999 U 320 40 Ft. M11 450 hp
Build # 5468
2009 Silverado