Oil filter

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Oil filter

December 01, 2021, 09:29:43 pm

So, FT says oil filter for an ISC is LF3000 Baldwin BD103 etc. However in reading Cummins Quickserve states LF9009, Baldwin BD7309. What say the court!

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Reply #1 – December 01, 2021, 10:00:01 pm

Cummins was updated July 2017 i would follow there advise on there engine.
Scott

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Reply #2 – December 01, 2021, 10:26:51 pm

In a previous life I did a lot of high performance diesel work. The Fleetguard filters never let us down. It's all I run on my coach for all filters I can.

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Reply #3 – December 02, 2021, 11:19:19 am

Hard to beat Amazon's price for the LF9009 or LF3000 filter.

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Reply #4 – December 02, 2021, 11:33:42 am

LF3000 was replaced many years ago by LF9009. We buy Fleetguard for most filters, especially oil.

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Reply #5 – December 02, 2021, 02:49:34 pm

So to add to my confusion the LF9009 was upgraded to the LF14009NN on the ISL-9 engines. I have a inquiry in with Cummins to ask what what is the new and improved filter to be using is. Truly ignorance is bliss
https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/southeast-asia/sites/cumminsfiltration-empty.bitnamiapp.com.southeast-asia/files/LT36635-Fleetguard-LF14009NN.pdf

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Reply #6 – December 02, 2021, 03:41:37 pm

Quote from: dsd – December 02, 2021, 02:49:34 pm

So to add to my confusion the LF9009 was upgraded to the LF14009NN on the ISL-9 engines. I have a inquiry in with Cummins to ask what what is the new and improved filter to be using is. Truly ignorance is bliss
https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/southeast-asia/sites/cumminsfiltration-empty.bitnamiapp.com.southeast-asia/files/LT36635-Fleetguard-LF14009NN.pdf

My brother was here with his '05 Monaco with the ISL engine. When he changed oil I noticed the threads are not the same on his filter as mine, Mine has threads at the outer ring and his has threads in the center similar to auto filters.

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Reply #7 – December 02, 2021, 04:07:38 pm

Quote from: craneman – December 02, 2021, 03:41:37 pm

My brother was here with his '05 Monaco with the ISL engine. When he changed oil I noticed the threads are not the same on his filter as mine, Mine has threads at the outer ring and his has threads in the center similar to auto filters.

Yes I believe ours is the FLEETGUARD LF9001 for the ISM. But with this talk it has made me think it would be good to check to see if there has been any improvement filter available to us. Cummins book shows 3406809 filter. I plan on doing my next oil change after we return from Reno in a couple of days. I have a new filter already, just want to make sure there isn't better.
Scott

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Reply #8 – December 03, 2021, 08:50:35 pm

I would be careful about buying filters from a discount supplier-- a few years ago a friend went to auto parts store to buy a oil filter and in that case it was a Fram == He complained about price to store owner and said he could get same filter at Walmart for almost half price,
Store owner proceeded to show him a (Same part Number) Walmart Fram filter and an auto parts store Fram filter.
The Walmart filter had about half the filter media as the auto parts store filter.
I haven't bought a filter from Walmart or any discount store since--As old add use to say PAY ME NOW OR PAY ME LATER
Chris

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Reply #9 – December 03, 2021, 09:48:59 pm

No Fram .

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Reply #10 – December 03, 2021, 10:00:32 pm

Quote from: Chris m lang – December 03, 2021, 08:50:35 pm

I would be careful about buying filters from a discount supplier--
Chris

Once upon a time there was a retail store called Sears, Roebuck and Company. Regarding the televisions for sale, the salesmen would say "This is made by . . ." The television repairman, in this case the 64 year old teenager sitting across from me, would point out that in "the trade" "it looked like Sears kept pulling parts out until it didn't work, put that part back and said "Make up like this: How much?""

Walmart operates on a scale far beyond those old retail giants, Sears, Montgomery Ward and the like, WalMart can and does dictate price to the manufacturers.

FWIW two years in, still picking away at my initial purchase service, I ordered the Fleet Guard oil filter for our 5.9L in-line six.

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Reply #11 – December 03, 2021, 10:05:50 pm

As far as I know Fleetguard, and Baldwin do not sell in discount markets.

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Reply #12 – December 06, 2021, 09:56:41 am

Quote from: dsd – December 02, 2021, 04:07:38 pm

Yes I believe ours is the FLEETGUARD LF9001 for the ISM. But with this talk it has made me think it would be good to check to see if there has been any improvement filter available to us. Cummins book shows 3406809 filter. I plan on doing my next oil change after we return from Reno in a couple of days. I have a new filter already, just want to make sure there isn't better.
Scott

So i contacted Cummins and this is the information they sent me for me 2001 ISM450
Scott,

Thank you for contacting Cummins. The resolution to your inquiry, ISM oil filter, is as follows: You can use the LF14000NN or the LF14001NN which is the upgrade.

Engine s/n 35012626
https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/sites/default/files/LT36781-3-13-2020.pdf

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Reply #13 – December 06, 2021, 11:17:39 am

Best price I could find.

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Reply #14 – December 06, 2021, 11:39:44 am

Quote from: craneman – December 06, 2021, 11:17:39 am

Best price I could find.

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I agreed and also ordered. Thanks for finding a good deal👍👍

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Reply #15 – December 08, 2021, 10:51:48 am

Last year I changed my oil at French Creek State Park. After draining the oil I pulled the filter which was a Baldwin. I had researched on the forums. What the correct filter for my m11 was and had it in hand. Went to install it and WTF? Wouldn't screw in, the threads were completely different ! At that point NAPA wanted $80 I believe for the correct Baldwin filter I got one shipped to me in 2 days from Amazon. The correct part number. Now you can prefer one brand over the other, but my guess is that they both do an excellent job at filtration. I think I went with the Baldwin mostly because that was what was on my coach originally. I'm sure the fleet guards are at least as good if not better but I stick with Baldwin cuz I know they are right part number lol and they work.
But yeah, be very careful about obtaining part numbers off these forums. Always check for yourself and make sure that that exactly is the part you need. Otherwise, disappointment and a waste of money is the result. I have two replacement Baldwin oil filters right now and getting ready at some point while in Mexico to replace oil and filter again.

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Reply #16 – December 08, 2021, 11:43:04 am

Quote from: Journey, Roam, Explore – December 08, 2021, 10:51:48 am

Last year I changed my oil at French Creek State Park. After draining the oil I pulled the filter which was a Baldwin. I had researched on the forums. What the correct filter for my m11 was and had it in hand. Went to install it and WTF? Wouldn't screw in, the threads were completely different ! At that point NAPA wanted $80 I believe for the correct Baldwin filter I got one shipped to me in 2 days from Amazon. The correct part number. Now you can prefer one brand over the other, but my guess is that they both do an excellent job at filtration. I think I went with the Baldwin mostly because that was what was on my coach originally. I'm sure the fleet guards are at least as good if not better but I stick with Baldwin cuz I know they are right part number lol and they work.
But yeah, be very careful about obtaining part numbers off these forums. Always check for yourself and make sure that that exactly is the part you need. Otherwise, disappointment and a waste of money is the result. I have two replacement Baldwin oil filters right now and getting ready at some point while in Mexico to replace oil and filter again.

Unfortunately if you go anywhere and look up the cross reference to the filter you are using it is not current with the recommendations of Cummins, that is exactly what i did last time and to my surprise was wronge. I feel for myself ill stay with the changes recommended by the engine manufacturer, even if it requires contacting them direct to get the latest and greatest filter. It shouldn't be this difficult, but it is. DWMYH.
Scott

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Reply #17 – December 08, 2021, 12:22:40 pm

Quote from: Journey, Roam, Explore – December 08, 2021, 10:51:48 am

But yeah, be very careful about obtaining part numbers off these forums. Always check for yourself...

Quote from: dsd – December 08, 2021, 11:43:04 am

I feel for myself I'll stay with the changes recommended by the engine manufacturer, even if it requires contacting them direct to get the latest and greatest filter. It shouldn't be this difficult, but it is.

Checking yourself for manufacturer recommendations is not difficult, but does require a little effort. The tools to do so are readily accessible online, and free of charge.

If an owner wants to know what oil filter is recommended by the engine manufacturer, best to go to the source. In the case of Cummins, the "source" is either Cummins QuickServe Online, or Genuine Cummins Parts Online. At either online location, simply input the ESN (engine serial number) for your specific engine, and look up the recommended oil filter. Once you know what filter was/is specified by the OEM, you can then cross that number over to other filter makers, if you so desire.

In the case of older model coaches, you will often find that the oil filter originally recommended for the engine has been upgraded to a different part number. This may be either because the original filter is no longer available, OR because newer filter construction technology has produced a more efficient filter. In that case, the Cummins website will list the upgraded "approved" filter part numbers.

For instance, by entering my ESN at Cummins Parts (filtration), I find that my specific C8.3 engine in my 1993 U280 was originally supplied to Foretravel fitted with a LF3000 oil filter element (Part number 3318853). When I click on LF3000 it takes me to another page which lists the mechanical specs for the OEM filter (physical size, mounting thread size, micron efficiency, etc). Scrolling down that same page I see the UPGRADE options for the original filter element. The first possible upgrade is the LF9009. The upgrade to the LF9009 is the LF14009NN. Clicking on either of these upgrade part numbers takes me to another page listing the specs for the upgraded filter, so it is easy the verify that the newer part number will fit on my specific engine.

Obviously there has been some advancement in filter technology since my Cummins engine was built 28 years ago. There are now 3 different Fleetguard filters approved by Cummins for my engine - it is up to me to pick the one I want to use. OR, I could cross the FleetGuard numbers over to other filter makers. At least, by checking the official Cummins sources first, I can be confident that whichever filter I pick, it will mount correctly and provide at least the minimum level of protection required by the OEM.

Cummins QuickServe Online

Genuine Cummins Parts

https://catalog.cumminsfiltration.com/catalog/CatalogSearch.do?_locale=en&_region

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Reply #18 – December 08, 2021, 02:35:42 pm

Regarding the Walmart Fram comment. It has been hard to beat the walmart price on Shell Rotella 15/40. So ,, any chance Walmart gets sub-standard oil ??

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Reply #19 – December 08, 2021, 04:12:49 pm

Quote from: Bob & Sue – December 08, 2021, 02:35:42 pm

Regarding the Walmart Fram comment. It has been hard to beat the walmart price on Shell Rotella 15/40. So ,, any chance Walmart gets sub-standard oil ??

I wouldn't question oil quality with name brand like Rotella or Delo 15/40 from Wal-Mart. I do wonder about their store brand diesel oil 15/40 @ $13.00 per 2 gallon jug I saw the other day. Figure it lacks some additives. I tried Costco brand Kirkland last oil change 15/40 will go back to my preferred brand Delo 400.

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Reply #20 – December 08, 2021, 04:46:38 pm

So I had purchased a Napa 7746XD Prior and today returned. Funny how the 7746XD number was researched by the Napa parts counter man and he said that it was a direct replacement for both the LF14000NN and the LF14001NN upgraded filter. Lucky I had been researching and told him that there is a difference. It is also the exact cross to the original filter. Was also nice getting some change back with the LN14001NN costing less. Better filter and money back.
Scott

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Reply #21 – December 08, 2021, 05:58:26 pm

The filters are backwards compatible so maybe the Napa meets the 14001NN no way to be sure. I will have to use my Napa 7746XD that I purchased over a year ago on my next change then go to the LF14001NN that I just purchased on the following change.

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