Re: New coach tool Reply #25 – January 13, 2022, 11:22:04 am Quote from: John44 – January 13, 2022, 10:36:02 amTractor supply has some decent quality bigger sockets,not Snap-on quality but good.If at "Q" check the flea markets.3/4" Drive Metric Deep Impact Sockets 33mm Hex (2.2" deep) (JQ-5633-34) | eBay$15 delivered to your doorstep. I have a bunch of no name impact sockets and have never had one fail, but they stay home. If I'm down line failing tools is unacceptable to me. Too many years on the road. Biased. I think I'm probably the only person going to Q with no desire to go to the vender's (this year) Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: New coach tool Reply #26 – January 13, 2022, 11:23:20 am I have found that with impact sockets it doesn't matter if they are a name brand or cheapsockets they both seemed to me to wear the same. Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #27 – January 13, 2022, 11:40:50 am Never Seez with it's lower torque requirement and anti rust properties is a reason to never have to use an impact wrench. Just a 300 lb max torque wrench. The bar on it is plenty long that anyone can easily loosen the lug nuts. No wear on the socket!Big rule here is to never let a tire shop tighten your lug nuts.Pierce Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #28 – January 13, 2022, 11:49:21 am Pierce, are you saying that by using Never Seez we can legitimately reduce the wheel stud torque from 450 to 300 lb.ft. with no risk of lug nuts loosening up over time? Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #29 – January 13, 2022, 11:52:02 am If you use never-seez you need to lower the torque setting or you will over torquethe nuts. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: New coach tool Reply #30 – January 13, 2022, 12:13:44 pm Quote from: Geodmann – January 13, 2022, 11:49:21 amPierce, are you saying that by using Never Seez we can legitimately reduce the wheel stud torque from 450 to 300 lb.ft. with no risk of lug nuts loosening up over time?Remember Pierce has the bigger studs and nuts known as Budd wheels and you have the smaller metric hub center wheels. Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #31 – January 13, 2022, 12:16:58 pm Correct! As I posted above, you reduce the torque by 41% so if you wanted to torque to 470 lbs, you would only have to torque to 282 ft/lbs or for 500 lbs, you would only have to torque to 295 ft/lbs. A dab of Mariner's Choice on both the threads and nuts reduces the torque requirement a little further. Yes, different sized wheels/studs may have different torque requirements. Go to the Alcoa site for your wheel's torque requirements and nut size. I used an example for our U300. You also need to check to see if you have left hand threads on the driver's side of your coach. I just bought an old log splitter where the seller tried to remove one of the wheels. He broke off one stud as he never checked the thread direction. I bought ours from one of these on ebay's site: 300 ft lb torque wrench | eBayPierce Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #32 – January 13, 2022, 02:06:08 pm IMO deviating from the manufacture recommendations is unrepresentable in front of a judge. DWMYH, but. installing per recommendations and torquing with approved tools closes the liability door. If these were approved practices the manufacture would include and recommend them and alter their written recommendations. I'm not saying your wrong or that it may work, just not approved. Thus not approved for me. Again IMO That said NeverSieze makes outstanding products! 👍👍Scott Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #33 – January 13, 2022, 02:12:35 pm I love NeverSieze too just not on my wheel studs. Tools needed to change tires Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: New coach tool Reply #34 – January 13, 2022, 08:21:07 pm Quote from: Geodmann – January 13, 2022, 11:49:21 amPierce, are you saying that by using Never Seez we can legitimately reduce the wheel stud torque from 450 to 300 lb.ft. with no risk of lug nuts loosening up over time? Probably the reasons NeverSeez is not in all the manuals is:Quite a few different brands and quite a few types within the different manufacturers. All with different percentages of torque reduction. Lots of liability issues because of this. Mariner's Choice is the one I use and has a stated torque reduction of 41 percent. Any anti seize/NeverSeez of different brands will have a different torque reduction and could be dangerous if undertorqued. See the brand here: Never Seize Mariner's Choice Anti-SeizeA 300# torque wrench is not high enough for our coach with compounds with less than the 41% reduction.The none of the compounds are designed to be put on the mating surfaces, only the threads. Another reason for not being recommended by the manufacturer. People don't read the directions.Again, the nut position indicators are an excellent way of telling if a nut is coming loose. Cheap and instant installation.Pierce Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #35 – January 13, 2022, 09:13:55 pm Quote from: Pamela & Mike – January 13, 2022, 10:39:24 amWith this thread kind of drifting now would be a good time to remind owners that Metric wheels (hub centered) the lug nuts are righty tighyt lefty loosey. Where if you have Budd wheels (stud centered) the left side studs are left hand threads and the right hand side are right hand threads. So don't strip/break/ruin the left side studs and lug nuts by going the wrong direction to remove the lug nuts.MikeMike, please tell me this one more time like I am a 4 year old. I recall my 94 GV was diffrent "not lefty loose" & I forgot what my 03 is. I purchased new tires end of 2017 and I think 03 was ....... I forgot Quote Selected
Re: New coach tool Reply #36 – January 13, 2022, 09:49:23 pm Al,If I remember correctly your old coach (225) had 6 lugs/studs pre wheel. It has been a long time sense I worked on one of those and I am not sure if the left side has left hand threads but I think that they are left hand threads. Hope someone with a 225/240 will chime in for sure. Your '03 Grand Villa will have hub centered wheels which will be right hand threads all around (both sides) The 33mm socket is what will fit yours. Mike Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: New coach tool Reply #37 – January 13, 2022, 11:59:46 pm Our 1993 U300 has left threads on the driver's side. Pretty easy to look at the threads and tell which way the nut will come off even if only one or two threads are showing. Nut and/or end of the stud may have a mark too.Pierce Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: New coach tool Reply #38 – July 24, 2022, 04:45:14 pm Just replaced a very well used tool with a shiny new one. Old one still worked but got bent up again in the bronco suspension. Thought I would share since I've tested to the point of destruction but yet it still worked over the past couple of years. LED fluorescent replacement bulb. Modified and put a cord on the end. You can stick it in anywhere you want and have really nice light.Scott Quote Selected 6 Likes
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