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Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Cummins shows the current oil filter for the ISM450 as the LF9070. Fleetguard shows this filter as one of their Venturi combo lube filters. They claim you can double the oil drain interval up to 75,000 miles. http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/pdfs/product_lit/americas_brochures/LT36043.pdf

So, does this change anything for motorhomes?
Mike & Molly Patronick
2001 U320 40'
2011 Forester

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #1 –
Have not looked into this fully but remember it's not only filtering out contaminants that matter.  Besides that it's depletion of the additive package that matters.  If the TBN (Total Base Number) of the oil falls below a certain point you will risk engine damage from acidic corrosion.

Don't base oil change recommendations on generalities.  Each engine service duty cycle is different.

Keith
Keith, Joyce & Smokey the Australian Cattle Dog
1995 U320 SE Extreme 40' WTBI Build # 4780, with a Honda CR-V hopefully still following behind.
Motorcade # 17030
FMCA # F422159

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #2 –
http://www.oil-lab.com/downloads/TBN-1.pdf "TBN Retention - Are We Missing the Point ?  Diesel Engine Lubricant Characterization Using Multiple Used Oil Analyses"
1994 U225
build #4514

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #3 –
Ahem, can you boil that last one down to a couple sentences a 5th grader could grasp? ;D
Dick, '03 U320 40' Tag, 2 slides, Coach #6075
Full Timers
2009 Honda CR-V

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #4 –
I agree Dick, that is tough reading and not only because of the grammer and typo mistakes. Boy !!!
John H
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #5 –
The use of the TBN number is just a convenient guide to oil change intervals as there are other indicators that can also only be determined by an oil analysis.  We used it as we had a large number of units of different sizes, duty cycles and fuels.  We did not care about it on a daily basis but only when doing oil change interval analysis.

We can really over-think this folks.  The amount of use to oil change interval in an RV is well taken care of if you follow the engine manufacturers recommendations.

These technical papers are meant for others in the industry who know how to read them.  It's like reading a medical book.  By the end of it you will find you have several conditions that you never knew you had!

Remember, the manufactures know a lot more about their engines than the users do.  If you can ever get a tour of their engine plants and or research facilities you would be impressed.  I know I have been.

Keith
Keith, Joyce & Smokey the Australian Cattle Dog
1995 U320 SE Extreme 40' WTBI Build # 4780, with a Honda CR-V hopefully still following behind.
Motorcade # 17030
FMCA # F422159

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #6 –
First, the TBN was of great concern when we had a high sulfer diesel fuel (Like what you get in Mexico), todays ULSD is very little concern for most folks who do routine oil changes, the fact ramains, sulfer and water = sulfuric acid, a wonderful bearing / soft metal eater.

As  for the Fleetgard FL9070 oil filter, I have added an attachment worth reading.
One large factoid, the ISX engine and the FL9070 could have an issue, so google the FL9070 and read  up on the warning.  Has to do with the O ring in the filter getting cut and the pieces going thru the oil galleys making possible problems, give it a read for better info.

Cheers
Dave M

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #7 –
From my conversations, and what I have read everyone has a different recommendation or interval.. The coach manufacturer has a recommendation, as does the engine manufacturer.  I have determined that I will send out a sample rather than a change at the first recommended cycle.  The oil analysis should help make the decision.
Jerry
Jerry & Nanci
1999 U270 34'WTFI
2011 Malibu
A smart man knows what to say, a wise man knows when to say it.

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #8 –

Since Dave brought it up, here is an article about Pemex and ULSD (<15 ppm) from late last year. PEMEX - The Facts About Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) ~ BGL News Archive

ULSD is available in all the border areas and Mexico City. Late model coaches could void their warranty if traveling deeper into Mexico where the ULSD is not in stations. This would include the Cabo area also I think.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #9 –
Quote from: Keith and Joyce –
If you can ever get a tour of their engine plants and or research facilities you would be impressed.  I know I have been.

Keith
I knew some of the old time Cummins Engineers at the Cummins Engine Plant in Jamestown, NY.  They were working on developing ceramic coated turbos back then.  Most of the guys I knew there have retired.  One of the guys I still know is a trouble shooter and travels all over for Cummins. 

But I'd rather tour a oil refinery lab and talk to some of the lube engineers there, which I have had the opportunity to get into several of them many different times and to talk to the engineers in them.  I've only been in the refineries doing dino stuff, but would love to get into one doing synthetics.  The things they are doing with oils today in mindboggling.

And Dave is right about TBN being a greater concern with the old high sulfer diesel.  Many labs are even charging extra for the TBN test today, when it was included in the past.
1994 U225
build #4514

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #10 –
Quote from: morninghill –
Cummins shows the current oil filter for the ISM450 as the LF9070. Fleetguard shows this filter as one of their Venturi combo lube filters. They claim you can double the oil drain interval up to 75,000 miles. http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/pdfs/product_lit/americas_brochures/LT36043.pdf

So, does this change anything for motorhomes?

As a retired Fleetguard Field Engineer, I can tell you that the brochure you list is one of the early ones when we brought the original Venturi product to market.  On M11 engines that used the Cummins Centinel System, the change interval of the filter was 75,000 miles.  The Centinel system burned crankcase oil by remixing a fraction of a % with incoming fuel while metering in an equal amount of new oil.  Cummins does not allow Fleetguard to set change intervals on Cummins engines......then or now.

Originally, the ISM filter was the LF9001 a short version of the LF9000 for the ISX and some ISM if there was room for such a long filter to be installed.

The LF9070 is a revised media version of the original 9001.  Cummins wanted a new part number for the OE installed filter and Fleetguard marketing manager decided to rename the product line.  Earlier LF9001 had some very short life issues on  ISX but never on ISM.

Gary Spires
Spike45
Retired Fleetguard (Cummins) Field Engineer
Gary Spires
Coolants, Cooling Systems, Filtration, Diesel Engines

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #11 –
Yes, I use the LF9070 with my Centinel system.
Regards,
Brett

'99 42' Foretravel Xtreme
'14 Brown Motorsports Stacker
'05 Chevy SSR
'02 BMW R1150R
 

Re: Fleetguard LF9070 - extended drain interval?

Reply #12 –
Quote from: spike45 –
As a retired Fleetguard Field Engineer, I can tell you that the brochure you list is one of the early ones when we brought the original Venturi product to market.  On M11 engines that used the Cummins Centinel System, the change interval of the filter was 75,000 miles.  The Centinel system burned crankcase oil by remixing a fraction of a % with incoming fuel while metering in an equal amount of new oil.  Cummins does not allow Fleetguard to set change intervals on Cummins engines......then or now.

Originally, the ISM filter was the LF9001 a short version of the LF9000 for the ISX and some ISM if there was room for such a long filter to be installed.

The LF9070 is a revised media version of the original 9001.  Cummins wanted a new part number for the OE installed filter and Fleetguard marketing manager decided to rename the product line.  Earlier LF9001 had some very short life issues on  ISX but never on ISM.

Gary Spires
Spike45
Retired Fleetguard (Cummins) Field Engineer

Thanks to all, but particularly to you Gary. Your history puts this in context. Will follow the Cummins guidelines.
Mike & Molly Patronick
2001 U320 40'
2011 Forester