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Reply #50
Nothing is wrong, just dated looking. The wife likes lighter colors. The coach has not been used for awhile, so it smells musky.


Must have heard the wife's comment a thousand times as a Foretravel sales manager in the late 80's.  too dark...

I had a lady poke her head in a similar coach one day at a show and start to back out like alot of prospective buyers but I stopped her like I normally did and asked her from the inside "what wrong?" Knowing the answer but what the heck.  She said it was too dark.  Yea so? What's wrong with beautiful walnut was my answer.  She mentioned that she was a  psychologist and then looked at me and said "this must be made in a sun belt state". What?

She continued that the dark interior would be more depressing in a northern state with less hours of daylight.  Dark wood and walls. 

Beavers, country coach and monacos and safari's were built in Oregon with mostly light oak interiors and big front windows.

Duh.  Never forgot what she said.   

When I showed a coach all the lights would be on.  Even in daylight. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
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Re: Used coach prices

Reply #51
It would not cost a lot to change out the seats and recover them.  I have heard that Villa is not selling other than to OEMs because of seat belt test.  I guess if you can show them you already have the same model you will be fine.  Recovering the couch is not too bad but still a couple thousand bucks. The cabinets, well they are still going to be walnut.  I know they have oak cabinet a few years newer but to change all of them out would be way too expensive.
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Reply #52
So, how "Wide" was it?  96" or 102" as stated.  What was the model number on the I.D. plate @ the drivers side panel?
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Reply #53
Robhatric,

Let's start with the Vin and Model number on the metal plate next to the wall next to the driver.  Easily obtained by the previous owner and will tell much of what everyone needs to know.  When I was inquiring about one that is the first information I wanted to know.  It gives a lot of the specs and takes most of the guess work out of the coach on when it was built, etc. as I learned from Barry Beam's incredible website.

Jerry
  Did you get any of this information from the coach?
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U300 Unihome - 6V92 Detroit
4 speed Allison - Jake Brake

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Reply #54
I really did not spend too much time looking at it, because I knew my wife would not like it and I really don't have the time to remodel an RV.But, when I got home and started reading the renovation forum, I had a change of heart. If I could get it cheap enough, then I could have someone else fix it up. That is why I am trying to get a round about figure for the upgrades.
Btw, imo, it is not 102". on one of the sales receipts, it said it was a 1988 grandvilla u3 series.
1988 40ft grandvilla u300 6v92ta 4speed allison

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Reply #55
so, I have been doing a lot of reading on the renovation forums and it looks more like home remodeling then a vehicle remodeling. I can handle house remodels, since I just got through doing my house a couple of years ago. I made an offer on the coach and he is going to get back to me tomorrow. If he accepts, then i am going to have another hobby for a couple of years.
1988 40ft grandvilla u300 6v92ta 4speed allison

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Reply #56
Robhatric,
If the deal goes through here are some ideas on lightning up the wood interior.  The attached pictures were taken when we first bought our coach in 2001.  I was told that our coach spent its first few years owned by Foretravel where they would take it to Motorcade events to get a feel on how existing customers responded to new interior design.  The finish is called Pickled Walnut and only 3 coaches were made with it.  It's any easy finish to achieve:  white stain is applied and immediately removed with a rag then after the stain has dried a polyurethane coat is applied over it. It's my understanding that most coaches have just an oil rub over the walnut.  You would probably have to experiment to see if a pretreatment (like applying a rub down with paint thinner) is necessary before applying the finish.  Apparently Foretravel listened to their salesmen (like Bob) and gave this lighter finish a try but obviously it just didn't take with customers.  I personally think the dark wood is something that grows on you so if you just delay the project for a while your wife might later say "Oh, it's fine" :))

Another difference is wallpaper.  They used wallpaper on the exterior walls only.
John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho

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Reply #57
thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. An easy inexpensive upgrade.
1988 40ft grandvilla u300 6v92ta 4speed allison

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Reply #58
Start with flooring, not cabinets, tile, vinyl, bamboo lighten up coach without touching cabinets
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Reply #59
Robhatric,
If the deal goes through here are some ideas on lightning up the wood interior.  The attached pictures were taken when we first bought our coach in 2001.  I was told that our coach spent its first few years owned by Foretravel where they would take it to Motorcade events to get a feel on how existing customers responded to new interior design.  The finish is called Pickled Walnut and only 3 coaches were made with it.  It's any easy finish to achieve:  white stain is applied and immediately removed with a rag then after the stain has dried a polyurethane coat is applied over it. It's my understanding that most coaches have just an oil rub over the walnut.  You would probably have to experiment to see if a pretreatment (like applying a rub down with paint thinner) is necessary before applying the finish.  Apparently Foretravel listened to their salesmen (like Bob) and gave this lighter finish a try but obviously it just didn't take with customers.  I personally think the dark wood is something that grows on you so if you just delay the project for a while your wife might later say "Oh, it's fine" :))

Another difference is wallpaper.  They used wallpaper on the exterior walls only.


I built a pickled oak side aisle 40' u280 for Cleo Dunlap.  Last I saw it it had 300k on the clock. 

I high gloss verathaned a u300 back then.  Gorgeous.  Looked a foot deep in the walnut.

Factory told me no more.  Texas.  Bet they are building high gloss now?  Dr unsell.
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
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1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #60
When we would look at coaches, Jo Ann often commented that a particular coach was "too dark." When we first saw ours, I thought she would want to stay only a bit, just to be polite, and then head home because it is quite dark. Instead we visited, eventually went for a drive, and then went home. On the way she commented that she was very unhappy. I asked why, and she said that she really liked the coach, and she didn't want to. I asked about the dark wood and drapes, and she said the drapes can be replaced and she doesn't mind the dark wood!

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Reply #61
When we would look at coaches, Jo Ann often commented that a particular coach was "too dark." When we first saw ours, I thought she would want to stay only a bit, just to be polite, and then head home because it is quite dark. Instead we visited, eventually went for a drive, and then went home. On the way she commented that she was very unhappy. I asked why, and she said that she really liked the coach, and she didn't want to. I asked about the dark wood and drapes, and she said the drapes can be replaced and she doesn't mind the dark wood!

Plus the sun bleaches out the walnut over the years.  Beautiful. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #62
I am not a fan of the typical modern RV interior, especially in the sub-100k price range. The pale wood and overly bright fabric comes across as, well, cheap. I can't say about current Foretravel or comparable interiors, aside from saying that they may have a bit more flash and bling than is perhaps utterly necessary (no insult intended, I bet I could get used to the inside of a new Foretravel!). But the late 80's early 90's, the Foretravels I've seen stepped well away from the shag carpet and floral/metallic wallpaper that afflicted so much of the competition and went instead with "gentlemen's executive office chic" and I love it. So does my better half, and we're up here in the dark soggy PNW. The dark wood goes just fine with bright lights.
Jay
1989 U280 SE, 36', 3208T Cat, build 3292

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Reply #63
Nor am I. Oak along with gold fixtures and shag wall to wall was the big thing in home furnishing in the '70s and 80's and carried over into motorhomes. A great super strong wood but a little goes a long ways. Agree about the "Las Vegas" interiors in a lot of new coaches. Hey, granite looks great on a kitchen countertop at home but it's really heavy stuff. No wonder some of the newer 40+ footers drop down to 4 mpg range in hilly terrain. With four slides, they need every one of the 500hp.

Some of the newer coaches are using some very tasteful lighter woods. Still, with the right carpet (OEM is great stuff), fabric colors and patterns, the walnut interiors in the older Foretravels have an understated class missing in so many today.

Pierce
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Reply #64
My 93 U280 came with a pecan interior. It was beautiful.
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Reply #66
where are all the pictures, so I can get ideas on my interior.
1988 40ft grandvilla u300 6v92ta 4speed allison

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Reply #67
I have seen oak in quite a few coaches when we were looking, and although I like oak, most of the ones we looked at had finishes that did not appeal to me at all. Much of the time, it was some sort of laminate- not even a real wood veneer, with maybe solid oak on the door frames if you were lucky. The ones that did have real oak, either had such a glossy plastic looking finish or some sort of stain which just ruined it for me. I love the oak cabinetry in our coach, the subtle shine achieved with an oiled finish as opposed to the urethane gloss. I also love dark woods such as walnuts, rosewood, mahogany etc., as well as most hardwoods when finished without stain, but in our coach, I am quite happy with the natural looking Red Oak cabinetry. The look of oak, as with most other woods with distinctive grain patterns, much depends on how the wood is cut. You can get some really over-the-top wild looking grain from Oak when flat sawn wood and with certain cuts, or you can have more subtle grain as in the way it is done on our coach. What I am saying is that it's not just the type of wood, a lot depends on how the wood is used and how it is finished. Foretravel did it right!
Don
Nor am I. Oak along with gold fixtures and shag wall to wall was the big thing in home furnishing in the '70s and 80's and carried over into motorhomes. A great super strong wood but a little goes a long ways. Agree about the "Las Vegas" interiors in a lot of new coaches. Hey, granite looks great on a kitchen countertop at home but it's really heavy stuff. No wonder some of the newer 40+ footers drop down to 4 mpg range in hilly terrain. With four slides, they need every one of the 500hp.

Some of the newer coaches are using some very tasteful lighter woods. Still, with the right carpet (OEM is great stuff), fabric colors and patterns, the walnut interiors in the older Foretravels have an understated class missing in so many today.

Pierce
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Reply #68
Don,

Looks as if I put my foot in it! I just never like the shiny surface that most have like a Discovery. Will have to check yours out. Red Oak if cut right looks good. I can see I'm going to need a lot of atta boys to make up for it. ;D

Pierce
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Reply #69
Let's see some of those pickled (whitewashed) oak cabinets when they're 15 years old.  Talk about a nightmare to match repairs plus most of them are coated with a lacquer finish that turns to goo from hand oils in a few years.  Gotta say, I love my walnut cabinets, both the look of them and the workmanship.  If I ever gets too dark in there for me I'll put natural bamboo floors in.  The foretravel interiors I've seen in walnut have all had several feature pieces of burl in select places, obviously selected by a craftsman.  I'm betting the natural oak interiors are the same, with some quarter sawn stock featured in strategic places.  It also looks like they may have used white oak, identifiable by the closed tyloses, also a class move.

These interiors reek excellence in millwork and enduring quality. 

Chuck
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Reply #70
No offense taken Pierce! Like I said, I am very fond of wood, having been a guitar aficionado forever. Even the smell of Brazilian Rosewood or Spanish Cypress is enough to put me in heaven... Wood, even of the same species,  can be as individual as people. Here is a picture of 5 guitars, all with Brazilian Rosewood back and sides. There are various finishes, with my favorite being the French Polish on the one in the center. As you can see, there is quite a spectrum of colors and grain patterns.
Don

Don,

Looks as if I put my foot in it! I just never like the shiny surface that most have like a Discovery. Will have to check yours out. Red Oak if cut right looks good. I can see I'm going to need a lot of atta boys to make up for it. ;D

Pierce
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Reply #71
Pretty woods. Have been reading about CNC otherwise known as computer control milling machines. Figure you were probably somewhere in the  loop here. Nice article and photos of the Plek machine at: Dan Erlewine's Guitar Repair Services

Pierce
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Reply #72
Don, I have no musical ability so I should keep my mouth shut... but... Seeing your Guitar collection I guess I will lay off my Son In Law, last count by his wife ( my daughter ) was 12 guitars, latest acquisition was an old tube type amp that he says is better than sliced bread.  Everyone has their hobbies . :)
Gary B