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Resonator upgrade 8.3 with parts list

I must admit I was skeptical, wasn't wanting to change the exhaust just for a different sound.  However....the folks who have gone before and claimed a performance improvement were, if anything, far too modest.  The turbo spools up much faster, acceleration from a dead stop is 100% improved.  The coach just generally seems happier at cruise and upgrade downshifting is reduced.  As far as fuel mileage can't say, it's still above 10 so I'm happy. 

Here's how I knew right off performance was improved.  Leaving my house there's about 1/2 mile of straight country road I always drive slowly watching out for dogs and critters, checking out the longhorn herd.  This road T's into a very busy 2 lane road and the center of a nasty blind curve with Houston road warriors driving like wild bats to get home.  As is my custom, I nailed the throttle for a left hand turn.  The new acceleration profile caught me by surprise, I almost drove into the ditch on the far side of the road.  This alone is worth the cost of admission.  Sounds boss too. 

The installation scheme reuses the 4" stainless flex, cut down a bit.  I left it as long as possible, in fact it laps over the turbo downtube several extra inches.  Next comes the 4X5 adapter, followed by a 5" short ell, then a 5" long ell, then the Aero resonator (I used the longer one) then a 45 deg bend, finally the exhaust pipe. Joining the 4X5 adapter to the 4" flex tube necessitated cutting a sleeve from the old 4" exhaust, this is slipped inside the flex exhaust and the adapter and the single flat band clamp goes over that joint.  It might be possible to avoid this with a different adapter but I bought what was available. No exhaust parts are contacting anything but the exhaust hangers and the exhaust pipe is staying centered in the enlarged opening. 

Not listed in the parts from Ryder Fleet Products are the resonator Aero 5050XL from "our deals rock.com" and the exhaust pipe and one overlooked 4" lap band clamp (I reused the old one but not optimal). Used some 5" aluminized pipe I had on hand as no short lengths of stainless pipe were available.  It takes about 24" of this pipe.  Also cut from stock on hand was the 2" X 2" steel angle, approx 48" long that I replaced the original hanger bar with. This was extended from original to allow more hangars along the run of the exhaust.  As installed it runs slightly downhill after the turns to get our of engine area to exhaust,  and parallel with engine and coach.  So, the cost was in the 350.00 range all up. 

If I was doing it again I would remove the side panel, lots of trips back and forth under the coach as I was working out the installation.  Hopefully this will help make the job easier for you.  Thanks again to everyone who went ahead with this upgrade, it's well worth the effort. 


   S48 11S50045A   5" Exhaust Pipe 45 Degree Elbow   1         $22.48
2   S48 12500A   Elbow 90 deg alum 5 id 5 od   1         $29.50
3   S48 12510A   Elbow 90deg 5 idx5 od   1         $22.87
4   S48 19A500Z   Clamp 5" muffler zinc weld   3         $12.30
5   S48 20400ES   Flat Band Clamp 4" Stainless Steel Easy Seal   1         $6.49
6   S48 20A500   Preformed Lap Joint Band Clamp 5" Aluminum   6         $39.66
7   S48 28540A   Reducer ID 5   1         $14.79
8   VAL V831   Universal Tail Pipe Hanger Heavy Duty   3         $8.16
Ordered Total:    $168.20

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"Not so  long ago we were a nation of risk takers, riding five million pounds of  thrust straight into space."  Joe Gresh
Chuck Pearson
1996 U295
2018 Can Am X3 TurboRS

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Reply #1
I am glad that you had a good install and you are happy with it. I have thought that the 8.3 would get some improvement and if you are in tune with your coach you will notice it.

2025 Wanderbox Outpost 32 on F600 Expedition Motorhome
2015 Born Free Royal Splendor on Ford 550 nonslide version  for sale
Former Coaches  covering. 360,000 miles
1999 34 U270
2000 36 U320
2001 42' double slide U320
2018 Jeep Rubicon

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Reply #2
quote from Chuck "If I was doing it again I would remove the side panel, lots of trips back and forth under the coach as I was working out the installation."

well done and you now realise  what we (previous resonator club members) have been saying to all is true regarding benefits of doing it.
Nice to see you agree with me on the side panel removal too. I have no qualms on taking them off as it is a "no brainer" as far as I am concerned!
John h
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #3
The muffler in our U225 is gigantic and I want to replace it with a resonator. Just a casual glance under there makes me think we have 3" exhaust piping. Does anyone know for sure?.

Craig
1993 U225 36' Unihome GV with PACBRAKE exhaust retarder, Banks Stinger and Solar Panels.
Toad: 1999 Jeep Wrangler 2-door soft-top.

"No one has ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke."

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Reply #4
Dezrat,

Mine had the same "garbage can" muffler.  It was all piped with 3" which I am almost certain is what you have.  Highly recommend that you do the swap if you have the 8.3 engine. 

Chuck
"Not so  long ago we were a nation of risk takers, riding five million pounds of  thrust straight into space."  Joe Gresh
Chuck Pearson
1996 U295
2018 Can Am X3 TurboRS

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Reply #5
Nice installation Chuck! Looks very clean. In my experience with turbos, you can't have an exhaust pipe too big. Point of diminishing returns though.

Ours is 5" stock and the pipe comes out without any body interference at the left rear so would think any coach with a smaller pipe would have no trouble routing the pipe out after increasing the diameter.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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The muffler in our U225 is gigantic and I want to replace it with a resonator. Just a casual glance under there makes me think we have 3" exhaust piping. Does anyone know for sure?.

Craig

Two different mechanics at Cummins and a tech rep for Banks told me that the BT5.9 did not have enough throughput to warrant changing to a resonator. They stated that there is not enough back pressure produced by the RV muffler to see any gain with a resonator. The only gain I can see for sure is in weight reduction. I can also tell you that my son-in-law's boss had a resonator on his Dodge PU and it sounded ugly. FWIW
The selected media item is not currently available.Kent Speers
Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

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Reply #7
I am not an engine head like some of you but I do know that if it was my coach I would do it for the massive change in heat retention (or lack of) I am sure it will make for a better pick up, but will leave all the rest of argument to you guys.
Running a way lot cooler in the compartment must surely be worth something
John H
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #8
This opinion stuff sounds like the old Humming Bird theory, that they can not fly due to large body and very small wings, just more horse hockey.

Bumble bees cannot fly either.......tell that to the bumble bee. In my humble opinion opening up the intake and exhaust and letting the engine breathe is a good thing.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

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Reply #9
How about replacing your exhaust system with a stock U300 Detroit Diesel exhaust system? 3 inches vs 5 inches. For every square inch of exhaust pipe area, you can flow about 115 CFM (cubic feet per minute). Using this number, you can flow about 813 CFM in a 3 inch pipe vs 2258 CFM from a 5 inch pipe. Figure you need to flow 2.2 CFM (more if a turbo) per engine horsepower (in a 4 cycle engine). The U300 muffler is not that big, would use all stock brackets and would not upset the neighbors even with a Jake. You would only have to adapt the pipe out of the turbo.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Two different mechanics at Cummins and a tech rep for Banks told me that the BT5.9 did not have enough throughput to warrant changing to a resonator. They stated that there is not enough back pressure produced by the RV muffler to see any gain with a resonator. The only gain I can see for sure is in weight reduction. I can also tell you that my son-in-law's boss had a resonator on his Dodge PU and it sounded ugly. FWIW

Well, that's bad news! :(  I may do it anyway since I don't have to be back there listening to it and that muffler they put in there must be plenty heavy. Not to mention the increase in available space. The Banks folks seem to know what they're doing when it comes to improving the performance of diesel engines without creating extra problems.

Thanks, Kent.

Craig
1993 U225 36' Unihome GV with PACBRAKE exhaust retarder, Banks Stinger and Solar Panels.
Toad: 1999 Jeep Wrangler 2-door soft-top.

"No one has ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke."

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Reply #11
Chuck,

Thanks for all the info on your install.  How did you get from aero to exhaust tip?

My coach has a 4" exhaust tip and a 5" tip won't go through existing hole. 

Did you cut hole bigger? , did you reduce pipe to use 4" tip?

Once again thanks.

Larry B
1998 U270
Jeep GC
Larry Bradley
SOB
former 1998 U270
Build 5251
Jeep Grand Cherokee

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Reply #12
Stock boost on an 8.3 is above 20psi, yes? At those levels anything you can do to reduce backpressure will improve spool time, reduce exhaust temps, and (very much) improve flow. I'd love to open up the exhaust on our rig but 14psi doesn't give as much of a pressure drop to improve on. So I'm sticking, if anything, with some method of adding a charge air cooler as the next possible silly thing to do in the engine bay.
Jay
1989 U280 SE, 36', 3208T Cat, build 3292

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Reply #13
My coach has a 4" exhaust tip and a 5" tip won't go through existing hole. 

Did you cut hole bigger? , did you reduce pipe to use 4" tip?

The fiberglass opening is easily opened up with a 4 inch grinder don't reduce tip! Im pulling a toad thru the rockies right now and real glad I did the mod.
"Not so  long ago we were a nation of risk takers, riding five million pounds of  thrust straight into space."  Joe Gresh
Chuck Pearson
1996 U295
2018 Can Am X3 TurboRS

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Reply #14
We also used a 5" Aero, and with our C8.3, we used a 4" to 5" just after turbo and at the tailpipe we used another 5" to 4" and reused our 4" pipe through the fiberglass. Figured that when we get back to Xtreme we would ask Rance to make our fiberglass exhaust hole larger and remove the last 5" to 4" transition and pipe and replace it with a 5" pipe and chrome tip. Even though we have another step to complete the Aero change, we are very pleased with the modification.

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Reply #15
I, too, have installed the Aero (40440XL) on my Cat 3208T.  The muffler I removed was HUGE.  I cannot tell any difference in the sound at idle.  We will be taking a long trip to Montana, Idaho, Washington and Oregon to visit the Glacial Lake Missoula flood areas.  Lots of mountains, much lighter towed (last time I went to this area I towed my 7000 pound truck, this time I have a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - approximately 3000 pounds lighter).  I hope the Aero helps my fuel economy.
John Cooper
'91 GV 36'
Oshkosh chassis
Cat 3208T 300HP

 

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Oh hey, this is relevent to my interest. Looking forward to your after-trip report!
Jay
1989 U280 SE, 36', 3208T Cat, build 3292