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front wheel bearing preload?

I have an inner bearing seal that needs replacing. I have the jack to lift that corner and the wrench to deal with the lugnuts. Getting to and replacing that seal scares me a lot less that the 150/hr I got quoted to have someone else do it. What I haven't found is the procedure for setting preload. I can easily index the locknut and put it all back together as it is now but kinda doubt that is suficient. Can anyone throw some light on this?
Jay
1989 U280 SE, 36', 3208T Cat, build 3292

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Reply #1 –
Quote from: twobus –
I have an inner bearing seal that needs replacing. I have the jack to lift that corner and the wrench to deal with the lugnuts. Getting to and replacing that seal scares me a lot less that the 150/hr I got quoted to have someone else do it. What I haven't found is the procedure for setting preload. I can easily index the locknut and put it all back together as it is now but kinda doubt that is suficient. Can anyone throw some light on this?

.001-.005 runout on a dial indicator is what I understand the spec is. 

Now for a experienced guy who does these with an eye towards the dead spot in the steering elimination I have no idea where in that variance is used.

My x Foretravel guy probably does it by feel.  Someone posted the procedure here recently I think?

Heavy assembly.  Watch out.  Full disassembly allows synthetic lube to be correctly installed.

The outer level ring I understand is the correct level.  At the inner level once heated in use the oil pushes out of the seal I am told.

Correct seal has a metal ring that needs to be installed on the hub so that the seal rides on it not the hub itself.  Green Loktite for it
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #3 –
Ah, very good. That will help to decide whether to farm this job out or not!
Jay
1989 U280 SE, 36', 3208T Cat, build 3292

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Reply #4 –
I do it by feel. I keep it on the tighter side on steer axles as well. But, for the inexperienced, that video is good. They have to have a "standard" way to put in procedures instead of saying, "If it's loose and has play, tighten it up, but not too tight!"
1998 U270 34'

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Reply #5 –
Quote from: krush –
I do it by feel. I keep it on the tighter side on steer axles as well. But, for the inexperienced, that video is good. They have to have a "standard" way to put in procedures instead of saying, "If it's loose and has play, tighten it up, but not too tight!"

Exactly
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #6 –
Yeah allright, prettymuch like every other taper rollerbearingI've ever done, just bigger.
Jay
1989 U280 SE, 36', 3208T Cat, build 3292

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Yep, nothing mystical about it. I use Semi fluid synthetic grease in all of the oil type front bearings I do. Its a "flowable" grease, real tacky and a mess to deal with, but once you get it installed the only way the seal will leak is if it is completely gone. I use it in semi trailer and non drive axles, however if you change over to it you will need vented hub cap plugs (the rubber caps in the hubs) they can be had at any truck parts store. haven't had a problem with it in over 15 years.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

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Reply #8 –
Done properly steering axle bearings should not be a problem. 
Meritors' method (and it's excellent) is one way to skin a cat.

If the bottom line is an adjusted bearing that ends up being (just) snug, you have the idea.
My concern revolves around drivers (thinking) steering axle bearings are a "set it & forget it item".

After spending my entire working life as an OO and I tell anyone that goes down the road, you need to (at the least) look for signs of steering axle issues.  Air pressure, tire condition, bearing hub leaks, etc.. 
EVERY time you get out of your machine, lay the back of your hand on the bearing hub assembly to check for excess heat AND walk around it EVERY TIME YOU GET IN & OUT of it.

Typically, steering axles have 12,000 lbs., sitting atop them ALL the time. 

It's a miracle MH operators get away without having a CLASS A license.. pc

So much for my soap box.. pc

S/W Houston 95" U320C SE/40' 
Build #4778  Cummins M11
Repairs & Covered RV Parking (BAO)
PPL is close..

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We use the same synthetic rear axle 85/140 or similar viscosity we use in our rear axle for the front hubs.

And we check the front axle fluid level before every trip, as well as coolant, oil, hydraulic fluid levels & Pressure Pro tire pressures.

We used a hole saw to cut out the center of the front axle hub caps, so we can view the fluid level.

We periodically replace the red rubber 'stopper' caps, to be sure they are well sealed supple rubber. We keep the rubber vent clear with a paper clip. Since the rubber cap is visible in the hub cap's hole, we reduce vandal attraction to the bright red by painting the red cap black.

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Reply #10 –
Quote from: pocketchange –

EVERY time you get out of your machine, lay the back of your hand on the bearing hub assembly to check for excess heat AND walk around it EVERY TIME YOU GET IN & OUT of it.


A purchased a harbor freight infra red thermometer and walk the coach and the tow car every stop to check things out.  $30
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #11 –
Quote from: Dave M –
Just snug is zero oil clearance, so the bearing will eventually Gall. Why the spec of .001 min. Oil clearance up to .005.

Preload, play, and oil clearance are all separate things.

Timken knows more than all of us, so see what they say about preload (if preloading took away oil clearance, why would they say it's acceptable?): http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PDFs/Timkin%20bearing%20pre-load.pdf

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So, do you want preload in your wheel bearings?
It depends on the wheel end design and the
quality of the components used. If thetraditional design is your preferred wheel end, be
careful to avoid excessive preload, the risks are
serious. However, new wheel end designs
utilizing Timken quality components create
opportunities to safely use slight preload,
reduce maintenance costs and improve fleet
profitability.


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"The one- to five-thou range recommended by RP 618 is a compromise between too loose and too tight," Stangl says. "At zero, we're into preload and we can't measure that. Between zero and one thou, we could be measuring deflection and still be in preload. Between one and five, we know the bearing is not preloaded, and it's not too loose that it will cause other problems downstream."
http://www.truckinginfo.com/channel/maintenance/article/story/2011/12/are-your-wheel-bearings-adjusted-properly.aspx

The 1-5 thou comes from procedures that allow the masses to have a measurable dimension to use. If you read into the links, a slight bit of preload is desired....but it can't really be measured.
1998 U270 34'

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Reply #12 –
Slight preload seems to have been what my x Foretravel mechanic used as I have NO dead spot in the steering.  Full synthetic lube with the seals changed out.  7,000 miles.  Does not run hot at the hub.

Like timken said.  Its a feel thing. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: front wheel bearing preload?

Reply #13 –
BTW,
it is an excellent idea to keep track of rear axle hub clearance.  pc

Suggestion.. do not fill you diff to the plug hole base line (rear seals will last longer). 
Keep in mind they (typically) contain FIVE gallons of gear lube.  pc
S/W Houston 95" U320C SE/40' 
Build #4778  Cummins M11
Repairs & Covered RV Parking (BAO)
PPL is close..

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Reply #14 –
Great, got many talking about the various methods of perfection.  If I read that correct, there is no such thing as perfect taper bearing adjustment, just sone where between not too tight and not too loose. :o

So my favorite saying "Do what makes you happy", I sure do, I know what works for us.  The key is do your thing & enjoy life.
 

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Reply #15 –
Quote from: Dave M –
Great, got many talking about the various methods of perfection.  If I read that correct, there is no such thing as perfect taper bearing adjustment, just sone where between not too tight and not too loose. :o

That sums it up! As I said earlier in the thread, "If it's loose and has play, tighten it up, but not too tight!" Where that point lies...well, it may be easier to debate politics or religion, HAHA.
1998 U270 34'