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Re: This Foretravel listed on Ebay

Reply #25 –
Foam rubber inside center strip on ceiling has deteriorated, so probably entire ceiling foam behind vinyl also. The telltale depressions around the snap on buttons indicate deterioration. Exterior decals extremely bad shape.

Like Brett says--DD 8.2L V8 210 HP. Engine exhaust out passenger side--same as ours.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

Re: This Foretravel listed on Ebay

Reply #26 –
Those last two posts are about the 89 on craigslist, right?  I would say there is a lot more value in the '92, right?  Those two really don't belong at the same price point.  I would think the '92 will end up being bid up to $20 grand before it's sold. 

Brett, do you have any thoughts on the Ebay coach?  It is very close the RV that I had before the fire.  Same engine, same floorplan, same dimensions. 
Used to be 40' U300 1992 Build # 4087

Re: This Foretravel listed on Ebay

Reply #27 –
Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart –
While Foretravel may have been able to bring the 300HP version to 350HP, it would be a major fine from the EPA to go beyond that. Only fire trucks or marine engines have the correct serial numbers to do that.

I'm curious about the details on that. Were/are there special EPA rules for fire trucks?
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: This Foretravel listed on Ebay

Reply #28 –
Quote from: littledubz –


Brett, do you have any thoughts on the Ebay coach?  It is very close the RV that I had before the fire.  Same engine, same floorplan, same dimensions. 

With that age coach, I would not even venture an opinion on whether this could be a real bargain or a money pit.  Much of the answer depends on how it was maintained throughout its life, condition of bulkheads, etc.

Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

Re: This Foretravel listed on Ebay

Reply #29 –
David,

The California Air Quality Resource Board regulations take precedent over EPA regulations. This is why Detroits, CATs and some Cummins for commercial use are no longer allowed on California roads. I was just talking to a fellow with a really nice CAT big rig. He had it parked in his front yard as he could no longer legally drive it. Of the 3.5 million Detroit 2 cycles made, 700,000 are still in service. MTU remanufactures Detroit engines for the U.S. but can't make new ones for use here. Their new line of 4 cycles are legal here but the 8V-92 (the only model of the 2 cycle still made new) has to be sold overseas or to the military.

There are a couple of companies who make common rail injection kits for Detroits, Cummins and CATs to bring them into compliance with emission laws.

Here is the list of exemptions for diesels in California. Boats are another matter.

In order to qualify for an exemption, your truck must be one of the following:

    Class 6 or smaller (GVWR equal to or less than 26,000 pounds)
    Non-diesel fueled (e.g. LNG fueled)
    Emergency vehicle
    Military tactical support vehicle
    Off-road (e.g. yard trucks, mobile cranes)
    Dedicated-use vehicle. Uni-body vehicles that do not have separate tractor and trailers. Examples include:
        Fuel delivery vehicles
        Concrete mixers
        Logging trucks that haul only logs
        Vehicles using a power take off (PTO) with a hydraulic motor or blower.  Trucks that receive a PTO exemption must be attached to a trailer that needs the PTO to load or unload. 
        On-road mobile cranes

Detroit 2 cycles as well as other non-complying diesels are legal for used RVs in California.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

Re: This Foretravel listed on Ebay

Reply #30 –
Quote from: wolfe10 –
With that age coach, I would not even venture an opinion on whether this could be a real bargain or a money pit.  Much of the answer depends on how it was maintained throughout its life, condition of bulkheads, etc.



Betting this one is OK as the corrosion from sitting in a light salt air environment is MUCH different than a coach driven on winter salt treated roads in the northern states. The salt and other ingredients get everywhere, are difficult to wash away and when the coach gets damp again, the remaining salt starts to work again.

This is one of the big reasons we took the the RAV4 to Yellowstone and Detroit the last 3 weeks.

In the world of high tech today, any seller to be trusted will provide high resolution photos of any area you may ask for. Failure to do so usually means they have something to hide. Private parties without digital camera can always find a family member to take good photos.

To someone with experience, a one minute look at the exterior, underbelly, roof, interior will usually tell the tale along with a test drive. Leaking tanks like Don had are the exception. Logs are also a plus. A longer and more detailed inspection will show up the items needed to negotiate over.

I have paid an aircraft mechanic to look over a plane at long distance. A good one can tell the exact condition in an hour by reading the logs, checking for corrosion, pulling the prop through to check for low compression (I just did that myself in Cincinnati, OH).

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)
 

Re: This Foretravel listed on Ebay

Reply #31 –
To anyone who's interested, this no reserve auction (1992 U300) ended with weekend with a sale of this coach for the bargain basement price of $12,800.  This seemed to be well below what this coach was worth, but I just could not get myself to bid on a coach sight unseen from someone I didn't know.  If you buy a coach for $12,000 below market, and find out it has $20,000 worth of problems, it is no longer a bargain.  A big part of the reason that these coaches are priced where they are is because they are expensive to fix, and at 22 years old, who knows who's been tinkering with all those parts for the last two decades.  I am just not that much of a gambler. 

My last '92 had some serious problems that I only found out about after I owned it.  Even though I owned the exact same coach, and I really enjoyed it, I was kind of hoping for a bit of an upgrade. 
Used to be 40' U300 1992 Build # 4087