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Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

On my coach the engine air intake is on the rear cap, centered at the top. As we do a lot of Nat. Forest camping that usually entail gravel and dirt roads, how is that location for sucking dust ? Kinda wish they had taken it above the roof, with proper water diversion of course.
Dave W. (AKA Toyman )
'03, 270, 36', Build 6095, Pulling whatever I hook it to.

"Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."
Dr Seuss

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #1 –
Based on the discussions I've read and heard, the air intake location pretty much sucks (literally) on all diesel pushers.  It's hard to avoid the problem of the engine ingesting the dust, dirt and trash being kicked up by the wheels.  That's why it is ESSENTIAL that you keep a good clean serviceable air filter in place, and change it regularly.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Surely, no age has been more fraught with insecurity than our own present time."

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #2 –
I was lucky enough to have a PO who installed a K&N cleanable filter in our coach. My air filter vacuum gauge had reached about 50% last fall, so I bought a K&N filter cleaning kit and pulled the filter and washed it. I was surprised how easy the filter cleaning process was. When back in I took the coach out for a road test, and there was a noticeable increase in power.
Peter and Tammy Fleming
1991 U300 GV 40 - Sold, owned for 4 years
Downsized to Roadtrek Popular 210 class B

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #3 –
Quote from: prfleming –
I was lucky enough to have a PO who installed a K&N cleanable filter in our coach.

Definitely not a fan of K&N.  Have seen way too many problems with their use.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #4 –
I've read various information indicating that K & N filters do not do a good job and will shorten engine life. I would never use one.
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #5 –
What is the best filter to use? And, what percentage on the vacuum meter indicates replacement is required?
Peter and Tammy Fleming
1991 U300 GV 40 - Sold, owned for 4 years
Downsized to Roadtrek Popular 210 class B

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #6 –
Quote from: D.J. Osborn –
I've read various information indicating that K & N filters do not do a good job and will shorten engine life. I would never use one.

Yup

Air Filter Minder plus K&N discussion (split from What did you do to your coach

K&N air filter
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #7 –
K&N filters are a good way to dust your engine. You won't notice the increased wear but it will just gradually get harder to start. Use the stock filter and put in a restriction gauge that reads in inches of water
(" H2O) or kPa. The allowable restriction is different for each engine. Here is the chart: http://www.donaldson.com/en/engine/support/datalibrary/053979.pdf  Replacing the air filter with another stock paper element filter made a huge difference in power in ours.

Doubly important in a pusher as all the road dirt gets sucked up by the filter from the front wheels in a lot of models and will require more frequent servicing. Later models are much better with the air intake up at the top of the coach. Some U280/U300 are especially bad with air cleaner intake down low right behind the rear wheels.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #8 –
Yep, I have one of those 280's.  Also have to remove the antifreeze filter to get the air filter element out :(
Dan 1989 U280 40'

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #9 –
For whatever its worth I threw away the K&N and went back to stock filter. Much better performance and I feel I'm taking better care of my engine..
Andy 1989 U300 40'

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #10 –
X2 on the K&N filters. If you have room, they do may a good PRE-filter for your engine. Just install them right on your existing piping. Obviously, you need a restriction gauge.  Some 18 wheelers have a forward facing scoop that eliminates most moisture from intake air while driving. That system possibly could be adapted, depending on your existing configuration.

TOM 
SOB (Some Other Brand) division
1995 Wanderlodge WB40
8V92 :D

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #11 –
I think ya'll are creating a problem that doesn't exist. Donaldson filters are used on everything from construction equipment (in super dusty conditions) to bus/RV. The air intake is in a good spot up high. Most filter assembly spin out much of the large particles.

If you really have a problem that must be solved, extend the intake pipe to the very front of the coach!
1998 U270 34'

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #12 –
               My present coach has a air intake scoop , on the  co pilot side about 3/4 on the way up . It is on the side , not on the back end cap . I try to avoid dusty roads , but you can't avoid them all . I notice that I have a clean filter all the time , compared to previous coaches . They had the intake top centered on the rear cap .  A very large improvement in location .There is a vacuum action caused by forward motion on our coaches that pulls the dust to that top centered intake . To observe , follow a coach or buss on a dusty road . That's how I noticed it .          Brad Metzger
Brad Metzger
2010 Phenix 45'
 

Re: Back Roads (engine air intake, filters, etc)

Reply #13 –
 As most know I stopped water, dust etc from entering by putting on my Deflector at top of intake. Protects the camera as well. Filters last a lot longer now.
Rear Air Deflector
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
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