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toliet bowl losses water after sitting

I have 1998 U270 34' coach and when we are using the toilet on a regular basis no problem. But when it is sitting in storage the bowl is always empty. Even when I have filled 1/2 way up it still losses water in the bowl. I suppose it is a flipper.
My question is how big of a pain is it to replace and part number?
John
1998 U270 34'

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Reply #1 –
John,

Try cleaning the area where the rubber seals onto really well then apply plumbers grease to the rubber.

Keith
Keith, Joyce & Smokey the Australian Cattle Dog
1995 U320 SE Extreme 40' WTBI Build # 4780, with a Honda CR-V hopefully still following behind.
Motorcade # 17030
FMCA # F422159

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Reply #2 –
You didn't mention what toilet is installed in your coach. I have the Sealand 511. If cleaning doesn't solve your problem, changing the rubber seals is a simple but yucky procedure.
Shut off water! Depress pedal to release water pressure.
Pull water hose from rear of bowl. Some clean water will spill.
Remove plastic from around base.  Un-tighten the metal strap holding the bowl to the base. Remove bowl from base. Set aside.  Lift both seals from top of base and replace with new. Check the orientation.
Reverse procedure and you are done.
However if ball is all gunked up and cleaning does not help you may have to replace the ball (flapper)  and shaft also. Just a little more complicated and definately more yucky. BTW Sealand recommends replacing the ball when changing seals.
Seals will cost you between 30-40 bucks.
Cheers
Ed

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I have 1998 U270 34' coach and when we are using the toilet on a regular basis no problem. But when it is sitting in storage the bowl is always empty. Even when I have filled 1/2 way up it still losses water in the bowl . I suppose it is a flipper.

My question is how big of a pain is it to replace and part number? John
1998
Ed and Michele
2000 U295  36'  (Build #5600)
8.3 ISC 350HP.
2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee (Toad)
2001 Lance Truck Camper (Sold)
2001 Lazy Daze (Class C). RK Floor Plan (Sold)

Re: toliet bowl losses water after sitting

Reply #3 –
I agree with the repair method but would definitley replace or clean very carefully the "flapper". This part is plastic and does not like gritty toilet cleaners as they scratch it. I would first pour some undiluted CLR into bowl and let sit overnight(or as long as it stays there) and with an old toothbrush clean the face of the plastic seal with more of it and gently press the pedal to make sure you have any scale removed from it. Check under the flange and see if any scale is on Teflon black seal as well. Most probably is just build up of Calcium but also can be a scratch on face of ball.
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #4 –
We had the same problem. I cleaned the black rubber seal/flapper ring and sprayed the ring with silicone. Solved the problem. No leaks for a month or so. I then bought a small 'pot' of silicone paste in the plumbing section at Lowes for next time. I can apply it with my finger, or my wife's finger, and not worry about dropping the silicone spray can down the potty.
Doug, Mary & Abby the Terrier, boss of us.
2012 Nimbus 40',  #6557
2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
Salem, SC

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Reply #5 –
This is not a difficult job.  There are many examples of videos to help you understand.  I am posting a link to one right here.  The parts are not inexpensive...arounf $40 for the seals and something like that for the breaker at the rear of the toilet which I recommend you change it while you have the toile apart.  Good luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi3TRivsNlQ
Peter & Beth Martin
No Forrest? What have you done?
MC# 15890 until Dec 2016; FMCA #F329677
Cincinnati, OH

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Reply #6 –
I just did mine 2 days ago. I also ended up with another ball, but for free, but of course it didn't fit. Don't remove the spring cartridge! It says do not remove....of course I did. I got it back together using magic.
1998 U270 34'

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Reply #7 –
Actually Krush you can remove the spring as the new unit comes as a preloaded item, simple remove the 2 screws and put the unit in and screws back. This makes taking out the ball very easy.
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #8 –
I put in the seal that has the hole for the bowl drain, but I should not have. Whatever is supposed to act like a P trap for the bowl drain isn't working and stink was coming out the overflow holes. Nothing a little tape didn't fix until I get the plugs from SeaLand. Bowl holds water now though.
1998 U270 34'

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Reply #9 –
We filled the Sealand bowl overflow holes with silicone when we replaced plastic bottom and rubber seal with current design without overflow holes.  Then we sealed the bowl holes with Sealand plugs.
 

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Reply #10 –
Back when we ordered our repair parts from Sealand their phone rep recommended the overflow plugs for our model toilet. He stated that because our model was a manual toilet the likelihood of overfilling was very small to nonexistent, and the plugs would help block tank odors from entering the bathroom area.
We installed the new valve breaker assembly, cleaned the "ball" and seal area, then tiled the entire bathroom floor with Allure floating tile. All this after the blue carpet turned a really crappy brown after the seal leaked.
Over a year now and things look and smell good in the bathroom when one opens the door. (occupied--a different story) ^.^d
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD