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Paradox Development VMSpc

We bought a VMSpc set up by Roger Engdahl, Paradox Development.  It has been a goal for several years to get real time data.

And now I have data but I am not sure I have information yet.  Taking this data, are things in the proper ranges or are there signals of potential problems?

At 65 mph, rpm right at 1400

It is really nice to now have the gear indicted.  Before I have had to count shift and try to coordinate tach with gear.... there are areas I wanted to be sure I was in third as begin heading up or down a grade.

When I press the load, and get up to about 100% load, the turbo reads 28.  More often though it is 26 at a bit less load

The temperature of the Retarder quickly climbs from about 190 to 220 and can even max out the reading on the pc at 250 and a red light illuminates.  This is not mountain driving or such, simply using the retarder to stop from speed on highway or frequent stopping.

The start battery voltage indicator often turns to a yellow light, it seems to happen at 14.7 volts or above.  Mostly stays around 14.4 volts

The oil pressure drops to about 22/23 at idle and goes up to about 38 at speed

The coolant temperature stays about 178 degrees.  The oil temperature stays around 190 when driving but as you can see in the photo it gives me a yellow light around 200 degrees, so concerns me.  The manifold temperature stays around 72 degrees

I do not know if there are more signals I can get from the electronics and have other data point......I will explore that but this is the first trip with data!  Ideas, all ok or some area needs more information or even concern?

Mike
Mike
2001 U320 4010 Build 5878 (Gus)
Wrangle Unlimited Toad
Nacogdoches

Re: Paradox Development VMSpc

Reply #1
Mike,

I am glad this is all up and running for you.  The info from VMSpc is what I use to operate the coach.  I rarely look at the dash.

All of this looks OK to me.  All of the gauges that have indicator lights can be set by the user to change color to yellow or red at high or low settings.  These are set now pretty conservatively.  You can adjust these in the Parameter Editor for each gauge. When they are all green just a quick glance lets you know all is OK.  A yellow light gets your attention and maybe some adjustment.  A red light should get you to do something pretty soon. 

For your drive train 1400 rpm at 65 mph in 6th is correct.
At 100% load your boost will be close to or near max.  Your's is about right. 

Retarder temps climb quickly and are use dependent.  Under normal driving conditions 225 is common.  At 235 my yellow light is on.  At 250 the red light comes on.  With synthetic oil in the transmission you can probably go higher but by 250° it needs to get some relief.  The retarder temp and transmission temp will go down quicker if you gear down a notch (rpms go up). I drive with the switch on but no joystick.  With the joystick pulled back everytime you take your foot off the throttle the retarder is on.  Some like that, it is just more work for the retarder.

Oil pressure on the ISM11 drops to low 20's when it is warmed up and I come up to a stop.  That is normal according to Cummins. I have my warning light change to yellow at 22 just so I pay attention.  If you get to a stop sign and it is going to be a while shift into N, RPMs will go up, a bit more cooling, a bit less load on the transmission.

Start battery voltage at 14.7 volts is about as high as it should be any more and your voltage might be set high on the LN alternator. Once the battery is fully charged the voltage should be down in the 13.8-14.0 range even with headlights and dash AC on.

Coolant is right where it should be.  It will go up to as much as 195 when it is really hot or you are doing some mountain driving.  A but less load, a bit slower and a lower gear in the mountains will add cooling and reduce temps.  188-190 is not uncommon going uphill.  We just went through Raton Pass in NM, I think 190° Was about as high as it got going up.

Gear, RPMs, boost pressure and temps are all interative.  Slow down a bit going up hill, drop range down to 5th or 4th gear, rpms go up, more cooling, boost goes down, engine load goes down.  Less stress on everything including the driver. 

Transmission temps are usually about 10° warmer than coolant.  Oil temps are normally about 190°. I think I set the yellow light to come on at 200°.  I am not sure where that should be exactly.  I see it occasionally under load.  I think that is a conservative point just to get your attention.  Mine hits 200 occasionally and then goes down.  The yellow light lets me know I have reached a high temp in what my normal experience has been.

Manifold temp should be near ambient temp or just above.  Air comes in through the turbo and gets hot. It then goes through the charge air cooler which is like a big radiator for air and then to the intake manifold.  If everything is working well then the hugh pressure air coming into the intake manifold should be about ambient temp and so should your intake manifold.  Looks like you are OK.

There is a lot on that screen now.  When we stop for the day or for fuel or at our destination I write down the miles and the total fuel reported.  This is what the engine computer thinks is correct.  Total fuel is what has been put into the engine.  It does not include AH or generator use.  When you think you need 100 gallons and it takes 110 to fill the tank that is a pretty good estimate of what you have used for the AH and Genset.

Let me know if you want some help adjusting things.  There is remote support software installed so I can help directly when you want it.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

Re: Paradox Development VMSpc

Reply #2
thanks for analysis, hope this helps someone looking for such data and info as this......I know some people may just not be as interested but I like data and information.  I think may help me avoid big problems.

System looks great too, and the screen size is perfect it seems with me having it set on the dash.  I next need to tackle how to switch between versions 3 and 4 (which I am using, but think the data on 3 might be interesting to go take a look at how it is presented)

Thanks again......
Mike
2001 U320 4010 Build 5878 (Gus)
Wrangle Unlimited Toad
Nacogdoches

 

Re: Paradox Development VMSpc

Reply #3
I have reset all the VMSpc parameters to fit my own preferences.  And I no longer use the mount, but place the small PC on the dash instead.  Easier to use the mouse for resets when fueling up.

I set max fuel size to 135 gallons even though 180 gallon tank.  Precludes any air sucking in turns etc, more accurate for me for safety margin.

Coolant temp:      yellow 195      red 210  (normal around 180)

Trans  temp:        yellow 220        red 240 (normal around 190 (I think))

Retard temp:      yellow 235        red 275  (climbs pretty fast on downgrades, I release a few seconds, then restart to exchange fluid)

Oil Temp:            yellow 210        red 220 (norm for us around 200 (I think))

Intake temp        yellow 130        red 175  (only hits the 130 shortly after initial startup)

Batt voltage low yellow 12.8      red 12.4

Batt voltage high yellow 14.8    red 15.0 (I see 14.8 after initial start, which seems a bit high to me).  Varies 14.4 - 14.7 often.

Oil press low        yellow 14        red 10

Oil press high      yellow 65        red 85


With TransSynd and with retarder load shedding at 300,  I think 275 for red on retarder is ok (for my choice anyway)

My max boost climbing steep grades is 28, 26 is more common. 
"65 mph, rpm right at 1400 rpm" (pretty close for us as well)

My goal was to see all green 98% of the time, and yellow when approaching danger zones.


Photos were after fighting serious head winds through Wyoming, then a restart after break.


Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide