Types of wheels?

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Types of wheels?

December 14, 2016, 11:00:16 am

Getting close to be able to raise coach and work on brakes or what ever, Do I have Bud wheels? I have heard a couple of stories about wheels and torques . I need a 1 inch for gun and 1 side is 1 -1/2 inch for lugs it is a combo socket that will remove outer nuts then turn socket for inner wheel that has I believe is a 1 inch square for inner.

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Reply #1 – December 14, 2016, 11:07:38 am

I doubt sincerely that you have Bud wheels. If I remember correctly those have a lock ring on the rim.

Len

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Reply #2 – December 14, 2016, 11:10:13 am

The inner takes 13/16 square socket,I have a seperate socket,its easier to use then the flip one.

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Reply #3 – December 14, 2016, 11:22:20 am

At least up thru the 95/96 GV's they had BUDD wheels, later Coaches they went to HUB Piloted.
Look at hubs, Hub Piloted fit tightly in center of wheel while, BUDD have space between wheel and hub plus outer and inner nuts on duals.
Gary B

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Reply #4 – December 14, 2016, 12:14:42 pm

If the dual socket is new it will work ok, but as John posted the separate 13/16 is a better way to go. I don't think it flips but you just use the same side and the square is in the bottom it tends to get rounded out.

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Reply #5 – December 14, 2016, 12:42:17 pm

I got a 1" drive impact gun at Harbor Freight for $159.00. The Snap On equivalent is $1200.00. The harbor freight one is certainly not the quality of the Snap On but to take the wheels off my coach twice a year is just fine. Works like a champ!

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Reply #6 – December 14, 2016, 01:00:21 pm

Art, you likely have Bud wheel studs. Street-side Bud studs have a "L" stamped into the end. We have a combo socket that fits inner and outer nuts. "L" studs are left-hand threaded, so counter-clockwise will tighten the nuts, which is how the studs get yielded or broken when a tech turns his air gun all the way up to remove wheel nut, without realizing they are overtightening the nut.

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Reply #7 – December 14, 2016, 03:56:25 pm

What some are doing is buying a good Milwaukee or IR battery powered impact.The air is good if you have a big enough air comp.
but the one on the coach may not work.If I did'nt have a good air impact or torque wrench thats what I would get.I have a
torque wrench to set the front bearing torque.

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Reply #8 – December 14, 2016, 04:23:52 pm

HMMMMMM, Our 1989 GV coach has Budd wheels but there aren't any locking rims.

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Reply #9 – December 14, 2016, 05:28:27 pm

Quote from: prevostart – December 14, 2016, 11:00:16 am

Do I have Bud wheels?

Hub Pilot vs. Stud Pilot Buy Truck Wheels

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Reply #10 – December 14, 2016, 06:45:37 pm

I helped the guy at diesel shop work on brakes and yes there is a L stamped on driver side studs on front and rear the lugs held on outer wheels and square headed studs held on inters

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Reply #11 – December 14, 2016, 07:16:57 pm

I have a milwaukee impact which they say will remove at 1100 lbs torque, but I find it won't remove 500 lbs torque so I use a 3/4
drive ratchet with five feet of pipe to break the bolts loose and the use the impact wrench to take the nuts off. I use the impact
to put the nuts back on and use the torque wrench to finish.

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Reply #12 – December 14, 2016, 07:27:33 pm

Glad I didn't get that one.

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Reply #13 – December 14, 2016, 08:40:42 pm

Quote from: oldguy – December 14, 2016, 07:16:57 pm

I have a milwaukee impact which they say will remove at 1100 lbs torque, but I find it won't remove 500 lbs torque so I use a 3/4
drive ratchet with five feet of pipe to break the bolts loose and the use the impact wrench to take the nuts off. I use the impact
to put the nuts back on and use the torque wrench to finish.

Hmm 1100 ft lbs, be careful about what you wish for. Reminds me of the time I rented a gas powered post hole digger and ran it into a big tree root. That was quite a ride.

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Reply #14 – December 14, 2016, 08:57:07 pm

This is the gun I have and it was only $1,100.00 when I bought it. Needed it for my Cat track loader. I can cut the pressure down with a regulator and get the torque low enough to follow up with a torque wrench on the Foretravel. I use it on the crane with the Budd wheels and have learned the feel of the right torque without the regulator.

http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.com/1-Super-Duty-Air-Impact-Wrench-P45416.aspx?gclid=COu8o7GL9dACFYy2wAod9e8Lfg

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Reply #15 – December 14, 2016, 08:58:32 pm

I prefer the separate socket over the combo. I also carry a couple extra studs and nuts as stud pilot stuff is becoming less common. The one inch gun needs lots of air it will run on a 3/8 line but not as strong. Since you are buying the tools to do it right I would recommend removing the wheels once a year then you can take a good look at things and you wont encounter the struggle that seized nuts can be.

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Reply #16 – December 14, 2016, 09:23:26 pm

Like Berry and others have said you have Ball-Seat stud pilot wheels.....

Be very careful with the inter nuts ( the ones with the square head and hold the inter wheels on the rear)
Alum wheels and steel wheels use deferent inter nuts and to the untrained eye they look the same but they are not interchangeable. For a example If your inter wheels are Alum and you replace then with steel wheels the inter nuts used with the Alum Wheels will not work though they will fit the stud and some may even look like they have tighten down, but the stud is to long and the inter nut will bottom out on the stud and not tighten the wheel and most likely stripped the stud threads. Some shops will tell you that you have to replace the wheel studs if you change from Alum to Steel or the other way around.... Don't believe them. They make inter nuts for any combination of wheel(s) and studs..

If for some reason you need to replace or carry spare inter nuts just make sure you have the correct ones before you put a impact gun on them.. Very easy if your wrong to spend some COACH bucks...

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Reply #17 – December 14, 2016, 10:54:55 pm

Quote from: Ted H – December 14, 2016, 09:23:26 pm

Like Berry and others have said you have Ball-Seat stud pilot wheels.....

Be very careful with the inter nuts ( the ones with the square head and hold the inter wheels on the rear)
Alum wheels and steel wheels use deferent inter nuts and to the untrained eye they look the same but they are not interchangeable. For a example If your inter wheels are Alum and you replace then with steel wheels the inter nuts used with the Alum Wheels will not work though they will fit the stud and some may even look like they have tighten down, but the stud is to long and the inter nut will bottom out on the stud and not tighten the wheel and most likely stripped the stud threads. Some shops will tell you that you have to replace the wheel studs if you change from Alum to Steel or the other way around.... Don't believe them. They make inter nuts for any combination of wheel(s) and studs..

If for some reason you need to replace or carry spare inter nuts just make sure you have the correct ones before you put a impact gun on them.. Very easy if your wrong to spend some COACH bucks...

Hate to disagree but, the inter nuts are all thread and seat on the inner wheel. The problem is with the stud on the hub, long stud for aluminum and short stud for steel inner wheels. The short stud with an aluminum wheel not enough threads for proper mounting and long studs with steel wheel the inter nut bottoms out on the stud without holding the inner wheel tight. Changing the studs on the hub is difficult and that is why getting the correct wheel might be the best way to go.

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Reply #18 – December 15, 2016, 01:12:34 am

Quote from: craneman – December 14, 2016, 10:54:55 pm

Hate to disagree but, the inter nuts are all thread and seat on the inner wheel. The problem is with the stud on the hub, long stud for aluminum and short stud for steel inner wheels. The short stud with an aluminum wheel not enough threads for proper mounting and long studs with steel wheel the inter nut bottoms out on the stud without holding the inner wheel tight. Changing the studs on the hub is difficult and that is why getting the correct wheel might be the best way to go.

Maybe what I was trying to say is confusing. We are saying the same thing. It does not look like a nut but it still called a nut.

Make sure you have the correct inter nut. They make longer inter nuts to deal with the long studs when going from alum to steel. They also make a deep inter nut to deal the thickness of the alum wheel. http://www.arconic.com/alcoawheels/north_america/en/info_page/accessories_hd_wheel_cap.asp

My main concern is someone can not just go buy any inter nut to have as a spare without knowing what nuts are correct for the rig. Not knowing what a PO has done and what studs are on the rig it is best to know what is correct for what you have before installing. Using the wrong part will cost coach bucks....

Cheers
Ted

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Reply #19 – December 15, 2016, 10:19:10 am

Ted, you are right we are talking about the same issue, but if you have the studs for a steel inner wheel the only way you can switch to an aluminum inner wheel is to change the studs. You can use the different inner nuts to change from steel to aluminum on the outer wheel or vice versa. Now that I am metric, or hub centered as they call it a couple of spare nuts are all I need if something comes up on the road.

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Reply #20 – December 15, 2016, 10:56:31 am

I bought an inexpensive 1 inch impact gun and I have a 3/4 inch Rodac gun that was my Dad's . And I bought that IR compressor that was damaged that I pieced back together and just got running.

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Reply #21 – December 15, 2016, 03:25:38 pm

Quote from: Ted H – December 15, 2016, 01:12:34 am

Maybe what I was trying to say is confusing. We are saying the same thing. It does not look like a nut but it still called a nut.

Make sure you have the correct inter nut. They make longer inter nuts to deal with the long studs when going from alum to steel. They also make a deep inter nut to deal the thickness of the alum wheel. http://www.arconic.com/alcoawheels/north_america/en/info_page/accessories_hd_wheel_cap.asp

My main concern is someone can not just go buy any inter nut to have as a spare without knowing what nuts are correct for the rig. Not knowing what a PO has done and what studs are on the rig it is best to know what is correct for what you have before installing. Using the wrong part will cost coach bucks....

Cheers
Ted

I owe Ted an apology I never knew about the inner nut with the collar that fits inside of an aluminum wheel to be able to use the short studs. Seems I get information I really could have used 40 years ago on this forum.

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Reply #22 – December 15, 2016, 08:55:35 pm

That gun will work well. Just keep the air flow to it. That long reach on it and that handle configuration is a lot easier on your hands and wrists.

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