Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?

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Reply #25 – June 17, 2018, 09:32:02 am

Hi Big Dog,

I knew nothing about Pendleton until it was too late and like you and Doug, I am one of the few from the NW. Doug Campbell was the original owner of my coach so would have liked to meet him.

The silly part is that I was in Pendleton twice last Wednesday, but in an airplane going too and from the Oregon coast!!

Speedbird1

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Reply #26 – June 17, 2018, 09:57:59 am

Quote from: wolfe10 – June 16, 2018, 05:35:30 pm

Every "group" we have belonged to has declining numbers. Absolutely it is the "we won't join" generation.

Doesn't matter if it is a service organization, RV organization, etc.

Life goes on!

Membership issues will always be an issue. I was unable to attend Penelton and really wanted to drive my car at least for one day. We could not.

The comment that since Foretravels are so few, this is an issue in the west. Believe me, it is an issue everywhere, with most rv groups. Having worked in retail for so long, over the years I've seen many many rv groups struggle to keep just the present membership.

Thus I will always continue to support this group of rebels, who have discovered quality, and appreciate the previous owner that took care of their "new to them" rvs (and to those that made the right life choices that let them buy a new FT.) Recently, helped an out of state traveler find a quality shop with a good reputation. I hope everyone understands the need to continue to support the rallies and this forum.

My wife after doing her first couple rallies more that 20 yrs ago said "only nice people buy rvs". I can say the same. (and that has been made difficult by some to say). I believe in "we have no idea what others are dealing with, so just be kind".

Meeting folks at rallies, let go of your expectations and you will make genuine friends. I still check in on others that I've met years ago in the 70's thru now, and have "kids" I met in the 70's doing the same with me.

This thread should be important to all that read it. Thank you to Swen and Kristi for starting it and to Brett Wolfe for his wisdom. May all continue to participate in what ever way works for you.

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Reply #27 – June 17, 2018, 11:51:52 am

Quote from: speedbird1 – June 17, 2018, 09:32:02 am

Hi Big Dog,

I knew nothing about Pendleton until it was too late and like you and Doug, I am one of the few from the NW. Doug Campbell was the original owner of my coach so would have liked to meet him.

The silly part is that I was in Pendleton twice last Wednesday, but in an airplane going too and from the Oregon coast!!

Speedbird1

You seem to stay about 50 miles away from Walla Walla Speedbird.

First Kennewick, Now Pendleton. When I see Doug again. I'll mention your coach. He did say that he missed his old coach (yours I assume) and said that our era of coaches were the best that FT made. High praise from an IH45 owner.

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Reply #28 – June 17, 2018, 12:21:23 pm

Big dog, as Roger said, 'anyone is welcomed to any rally' These things aren't private parties. If we end up not meeting today, do come for the potluck dinner tonight!
I'll just say this about these rally's,' it takes some effort by both sides to put one of these things on". To some it's worth it so that's why they do it.

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Reply #29 – June 17, 2018, 01:37:45 pm

We have been to several chapter rallies - enjoyed them all. Got to meet some new Foretravel friends and see interesting things.
We are full timers and try to see if there is a rally in an area we want to be in, if so we go. We have also met friends at Un-rallies, Fredericksburg, Quartzite, Tucumcari, NM, etc. I always make sure to introduce myself to a fellow Foretraveler whenever possible.

There is a rally the Four Corners is having that we have interest in but family with health issues are preventing us from signing up now. I really want to go up Pikes Peak and seeing the Air Force Academy would be fun too. We will see how issues play out, maybe we can make it.

We are in our mid 60's ( young or old depends on your point of view- I used to think this was old), but have been to chapter rallies on the west coast and east coast. My suggestion is look at what the rallies are doing, if interested, try one if it is possible. You might enjoy it, make new friends. etc.

Do what makes you happy , as our friend Dave M. always said......................

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Reply #30 – June 17, 2018, 01:58:08 pm

We have been to a few rallies and something that surprises me is FT hdqtrs. Lack of attendance. We are the ones that buy parts, service and what ever else. There has been two occasions that I know about where someone showed up looking at and asking questions about foretravel motorhomes. If they had been there with one for sale they might have been hitchhiking back to Nac. Never the less these rallies are good outings and fellowship. Just a thought.

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Reply #31 – June 17, 2018, 02:08:20 pm

Times have changed. Duh. When I started at Foretravel in 1984 rving was the wild and wooly west. No instant info. Limited campgrounds. Less reliable coaches. Less experience.

Owners wanted and needed to get together physically to meet and find new friends and exchange info.

The internet has decreased the need for meeting in person.

Much bigger club rally right here...

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Reply #32 – June 17, 2018, 02:47:03 pm

I listen to these types of discussions intently; often times I have thoughts but choose not to express them, mostly because I can't seem to organize these thoughts clearly. I'll try.

I guess we are considered to be a part of the "younger" generation - I am 39. We have been fulltimers in our Foretravel for 5 years this August. We have been motorcade members from the beginning, enjoying the discounts on parts, and the stopovers at Camp Foretravel. I have wanted to do the Ladies Driving School every year, but our schedule doesn't permit us to be in Nac at that time. We have not participated in a Motorcade event yet. We haven't been able to attend one yet, mainly due to our work schedule. The concern that "younger" people aren't attending rallies is a real one. "Younger" people still work, and most of these events are held during the work week. Of course, if they are moved to a weekend, then there is the concern that there are very few free weekends for people to enjoy, and vacation days will probably be spent with family and popular destinations.

I understand and see the desire and the need and want for organizations to change and adapt to the times to get more members, but I don't like change. For decades, centuries really, memberships to clubs were a social outlet for people and a way to connect with other like minded people. Like it or not, most people today don't "need" that because of the internet and "free" online communities. Not right or wrong, just different.

I was disappointed when FMCA allowed towables. We attended a big FMCA national rally, and had the time of lives. We learned SO MUCH. Were we the youngest people there? Absolutely. But I never "noticed" it, or wished that they had more "entertainment" or "activities" for "younger" people. We loved it just the way it was. Because we felt like we could really identify with the majority of people there.

I am sure we would feel the same way at a Motorcade rally.

I am sad to see groups that I love feeling restless to change and reinvent themselves. I wish they could all just embrace what they are, and just be. I like them the way they are. I know, I know....it's not that easy. There are boards and board meetings and bylaws and minutes and motions and votes and ........ugh. So much structure. It's such a hard balance, because the structure to a club is important, but most people don't want to get bogged down in the details and politics of membership boards. They join the club for the benefits and enjoyment. I just like showing up and having fun. Thank you Thank you Thank you to all of you who have served on boards. I could never do it, but I am happy to be a cheerleader and supporter of your organization.

It has been mentioned many times that "younger" people aren't buying motorhomes. Of course not. They are more expensive with less living space than a 5th wheel, and most of them have a young family and a dog or two, therefore it makes a lot of sense to buy a 5th wheel with slides. It's more economical, more space, and seemingly easier maintenance. I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying it is.

Ironically, this is a big reason we identify with the "motorhome" community so much more. "Older people buy motorhomes." We feel that we have a lot more in common with this age group. We love and appreciate the wisdom and stories and conversations shared with those who have had more experience than us. Not even RV experience, just life experience. The older people get, the more they mellow and slow down and appreciate and enjoy the simplicities in life. I should say they are fortunate enough to get to slow down and appreciate the simpler things. That's us. That's not most "younger" people. Again, not wrong or right, just different. We do not have children by choice. Most younger people who buy RV's aren't doing it to fulltime, they are doing it to camp; raise their families outdoors, enjoy a weekend with friends fishing. So much more practical to buy a travel trailer or even a 5th wheel.

I can easily see us loving a motorcade event/rally, and one day, our schedule will allow us to do that. I just hope that they continue to embrace exactly what they are, and find the magical solution for sustainability so that I can enjoy them. Stop worrying about the "younger" generation; one day, they will be the "older" generation and have the same concerns. Just different.

Quote from: Old phart phred – June 16, 2018, 10:10:37 pm

That my friends is called experience, and that alone may be worth the admission price. Just the opportunity to set next to a well seasoned veteran and let them tell you their experience may well save you $$$$.

Amen to that!!!

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Reply #33 – June 17, 2018, 06:33:18 pm

Yes, Big Dog,
My coach is the one that Doug Campbell traded for his new one and is still as immaculate as he and his wife kept it. It is also the one that I showed you when we were passing near to Walla Walla on our way to get a Silverleaf panel fitted in Oregon.
About that time your adventure was starting and I still remember "HOW" it started but not a well as you did!!!
But now I am about to leave the scene and get the coach sold to another lucky camper!! ( if a real buyer shows up??)
Speedbird 1

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Reply #34 – June 17, 2018, 06:42:42 pm

Quote from: Old phart phred – June 16, 2018, 10:10:37 pm

That my friends is called experience, and that alone may be worth the addmission price. Just the opportunity to set next to a well seasoned veteran and let them tell you their experience may well save you $$$$.
The new enlightened generation can't seem to figure this out, maybe that's why they struggle and languish.

Couldn't agree more. There is wisdom in the multitude of counselors.

Mark

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Reply #35 – June 17, 2018, 09:31:33 pm

Teaching is the best way to learn.
One learns much faster solving a problem and doing the work.
The older I get the more I learn from younger people. They are not constrained by my preconceptions.
If you don't listen you will never hear anyone including yourself.
Life is well spent learning.

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Reply #36 – June 17, 2018, 11:07:21 pm

Well I was glad to passed the Batton Siren. I used to be the youngest when I bought my first FT in my 30s. I found I could do chapter rallies and grandvention but not the motorcades. I still work and don't have a month off at a time.

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Reply #37 – June 18, 2018, 08:27:52 am

....well I happen to love it all...the Foretravel rallies & the "un-rallies" ....haven't been able to do an actual motorcade yet but have attended at least 25 rallies in the past 4+years (was a member of 3 chapters for 4 years) & hosted three for 3 different chapters...(& already working on a 4th for fall 2019). There is so much learning that takes place & so many trips to wonderful places & experiences & adventures I'd never have discovered on my own. Plus, the wisdom from the elders is priceless....the fellowship is very special, you feel you truly have a family, with wisdom passed down thru the generations, so it kind of feels like each GrandVention you are coming home again.

I will do everything in my power to keep this club tradition alive & carry the torch whether or not we have much younger members. There are actually lots of us in our 50's and 60's so we'll be moving up into the roles that the elders have now one day. I do feel perhaps it would be a good idea (& it's been done & will be done again) to consolidate the smaller/less active chapters' rallies, 2-3 of them getting together...but it takes teamwork. It is a lot of work (but a lot of reward!) for just one or two. I think the main difference between the official rallies & the casual gathering of friends is not only the chance to hang out together (give 'em plenty of free time to explore on their own & visit) but especially the opportunity to experience things and places unique to only a certain area or town, "hidden" things that only the locals would know, making it that much richer an experience for all.

...just my two cents....but I feel pretty strongly about it since I have experienced so much of the official rally activity, so for those who haven't been to many, or feel perhaps it's too structured, I'd encourage you all to get involved, become a little more active and accept a role in leadership in the local chapters, sure, it's more fun to just attend but the ones behind the scenes can't always do it all.

Cheers, and hope to see y'all down the road!

*edit* ....in reviewing this thread again, I note that many of those commenting have never attended even one official FT rally....& many are not even MC club members. MC membership is not optional in attending a chapter rally or club event, one must have their motorcade numbers on their coaches. Also, official rallies are really not open to casual visitors & folks who wish to drop by to say hello, unless you happen to know someone who invites you to come by for a casual visit on the "free time." Meals/activities are planned well in advance & attendees have sometimes paid a couple of hundred bucks a couple (depending on attractions, admission to activities, catered meals, etc.) so dropping in is not really an option for those occasions. Hate to sound like a stuffy ol' lady but I've done this more than a few times & in discussion with the powers that be, this is the general rule of thumb. A final note, it does take a lot of work, research trips, & often quite a lot of extra expense on the part of the planners, so unless support is offered in the way of helping to "put one on", remember it is always best to speak from experience, not just speculation. Sure, everybody likes to come for a good time but very few want to chip in and help with the work involved. Just my two additional cents, for what it's worth.

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Reply #38 – June 18, 2018, 11:15:05 am

Dani that was well said. We love going to our chapter rallies and we have hosted 5 rallies over the years. We have had help with co hosts for most of them. They do involve work but they are so rewarding too. You know that you have played a part in helping the club survive. It has been difficult in recent years to get people to host rallies and take our officer positions in the mid Atlantic chapter. We are hoping that we will have more participation in the future. We have a wonderful group of members that have become close friends over the years. Even though Ben and I have downsized from our 40' Foretravel to a smaller class C we are still members of the club and still host and attend rallies. I would encourage all to try a chapter rally first. It is a great way to get your feet wet and meet some great like minded folks. Ben and Bonnie Harris. 2006 Dynamax Isata 282

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Reply #39 – June 18, 2018, 01:54:56 pm

Quote from: Roger & Susan in Home2 – June 17, 2018, 09:14:05 am

Dog, GO! Every FT owner is a welcome guest, MC member or not. It is a gathering of friends always open to new ones.

Say Hi to Richard and Betty (rbark) for us. We met them at the GV in Indiana three years ago and work at crossing paths with them.

Roger

Roger, My wife and I did end up going to the banquet. Met Sven/Kristi, Saddlesore, Rbark, Wagon masters Doug Campbell and his lovely wife, Jerry & and wife. (Apologies for not remembering the names of everyone) Everybody was very nice and we had a good meal and conversation. Even sat in on the meeting and discussed the chapters future and possible ways to keep it going. Mr. Campbell kept trying to get me to raise my hand when the call for new officers came up.
The NW chapter only has 70ish members in total and covers a very big geographic area. So the issues faced here are unique given the typical distances and the lack of Foretravel density. I also had the misconception that the rallies were far more structured than they actually are. Could be that the designation "rally" to the newbie looking to join brings up a vision far different than the reality.

The wife and I will be rejoining the NW chapter as we now have more time to travel since she retired two months ago.

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Reply #40 – June 18, 2018, 02:51:19 pm

Jerry,
Some of our very good friends are from the FT communities and the way to meet them is to participate, reach out and join in. You will get out of these relationships good friends and new experiences. Believe me they matter.

I am very glad you went and met some of the same people we have along the way.
Roger

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Reply #41 – June 18, 2018, 06:40:54 pm

We've had our Foretravel for over five years now and have been a Motorcade member the entire time. We've never attended any rallies, either chapter or Motorcade because they don't seem to match our schedule. We keep looking, though, and some day maybe things will line up and we'll be there.

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