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Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #25
Bill, I tip my hat to you, if someone had handed me a bill like that I know that flashing blue and red lights would have been involved shortly afterward. I am well aware that CAT much like IBM seem to put a premium on three letters, but that price seems more like a mask and gun job.
 This saddens me on so many levels,
As Kipling put it "you're a better man than I am Gunga Din "
88 Grand Villa 36' ORED 3208 (throwaway)Cat.
 Build # 3150
Happiness is the maximum agreement of reality and desire.

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #26
If you take your coach to a shop for an overhaul, the bill after everything is said and done, is going to be $25K-$30K. Do it yourself, you can save a huge amount but few have the facilities or experience necessary for a major DIY.

Bummed for you Bill. Hope the New Year is much better.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #27
In observation of the past few years of overhauls and major engine troubles I have come to a conclusion,these are "million mile"
engines only if the moon and stars are aligned and every maintenace procedure is done correctly,and then you have these oddball
number 6 cylinder problems,how do you prepare for that problem?
96 U270 BUILD 4810
85 380SL
Drummonds TN.

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #28
If you take your coach to a shop for an overhaul, the bill after everything is said and done, is going to be $25K-$30K. Do it yourself, you can save a huge amount but few have the facilities or experience necessary for a major DIY.

Bummed for you Bill. Hope the New Year is much better.

Pierce

I agree. The engine could have been pulled, cylinder sleeved, rings and rod bearing, new gaskets.Valve job to the head.
I realize water went into the oil, but these engines are industrial grade, and can handle that. It isn't as though Bill drove it, and burnt it up. Simple cleaning of parts and inspection, put it back together.

It is sad, no one wants to fix stuff any more, just replace it. I did mine myself, it had basically the same issue, cost me $3500.00, plus I forced my buddy to take another $500.00 for helping me.
I realize Bill doesn't have the means to do it himself, but a shop should have been able to repair it as I said above for maybe 10K, and made good money.
I understand having a business means warranting your work, that is why they want to replace everything.But they are not warranting it anyway, so what would it matter.

I was told by a couple of people, these shops are just laying waiting for us. They know we have good credit or the money in savings to do whatever, and we are at their mercy once the coach is apart and in there shop.

Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #29
In observation of the past few years of overhauls and major engine troubles I have come to a conclusion,these are "million mile"
engines only if the moon and stars are aligned and every maintenace procedure is done correctly,and then you have these oddball
number 6 cylinder problems,how do you prepare for that problem?
Don't exceed 210 degrees, don't idle the engine for extended periods, cool engine/turbo down before shutting off, don't use the "override" switch on electronic engines, don't replace the air cleaner with a K&W or worse, change oil once a year with correct type/weight, know how to replace and keep spare belts in coach, don't count on the Allison to keep engine from overreving going down grades and keep your fingers crossed.

Helps to know the maintenance history before buying but sure not a guarantee.

440,000 plus on a 300SD with nothing done to engine or transmission. Not even a water pump. Sometimes it sits for 6 months without starting but starts instantly and runs like a clock. Looks terrible, needs paint and rodents nest under hood.

Chris, just read your post. Yes, shops are just waiting for us. Count your fingers after every handshake in a shop. Good for you. Your ability is rare now in a specialized world. Remember when everyone washed their cars on Saturday? Hate to say it but tent trailers behind a 4Runner are about the least risky way to see the country. Also, there is a lot to be said for the folks that have the front engined Foretravels with the gas engines. Costs a lot to fuel but no mortgage to take out if the engine needs replacing.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #30
I agree. The engine could have been pulled, cylinder sleeved, rings and rod bearing, new gaskets.Valve job to the head.
I realize water went into the oil, but these engines are industrial grade, and can handle that. It isn't as though Bill drove it, and burnt it up. Simple cleaning of parts and inspection, put it back together.

It is sad, no one wants to fix stuff any more, just replace it. I did mine myself, it had basically the same issue, cost me $3500.00, plus I forced my buddy to take another $500.00 for helping me.
I realize Bill doesn't have the means to do it himself, but a shop should have been able to repair it as I said above for maybe 10K, and made good money.
I understand having a business means warranting your work, that is why they want to replace everything.But they are not warranting it anyway, so what would it matter.

I was told by a couple of people, these shops are just laying waiting for us. They know we have good credit or the money in savings to do whatever, and we are at their mercy once the coach is apart and in there shop.

Chris

This!!  My part time boss is overhauling a Cummins N14 Red Top, in frame, for around $6500.  This engine has around 1.25 million miles.  Its not the first time any works were done but first major.  My last big truck had a C-15 CAT, 550 HP and was at 850K miles when I got out of it and was going strong.  Biggest shop visit was for injector tune up.  I suppose this might be just dumb luck.  Oil and all filters changed faithfully at 15K miles.  Somewhere on my old work lap top, I have a listing of INDEPENDENT heavy truck repair shops that I kept in case of away from base breakdowns.  If I can find it I will post it and members can use it to search for options. 

Fortunately for me, my 8.3 Cummins, born on date 1991, is in decent shape except for piss ant leak in exhaust manifold gasket, #1 cylinder, that needs to be addressed.

Bill, I am sorry about the big CAT bill. I also hope the did an outstanding job and you get thousands of miles  of trouble free service from your new engine.

jk
Jack and Cathy
1992 U280 Unihome 36' Build #4034
Cummins 8.3 /  Allison MT647/ PacBrake
Apopka, FL / Barre Center, NY

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #31
 I had assumed that the head  and pan were  pulled and the engine declared junk .    Head gasket and piston were maybe the only broke items.  But with out diagnostics how would they know?
 If it broke a cylinder wall,  I doubt that the core would be sent back.   
 Too bad there are shops that bill according to wallet weight .  Maybe thats why I work hard for my customers and  dont have a huge bag of cash.  Just enough tho.

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #32
I couldn't find my repair service list that had on my work computer.  I did find this search outfit that works well.  I tested it using the locations of the last three mechanical services and found the three small, competent shops that helped me out at reasonable prices.  This is work done on Class 8 trucks.  The big guy$ show up too but at least you have options on finding a shop that can do your work and maybe save yourself some CB.s  Try it out and maybe bookmark it.


NTTS Truck Repair

jk
Jack and Cathy
1992 U280 Unihome 36' Build #4034
Cummins 8.3 /  Allison MT647/ PacBrake
Apopka, FL / Barre Center, NY

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #33
If you take your coach to a shop for an overhaul, the bill after everything is said and done, is going to be $25K-$30K. Do it yourself, you can save a huge amount but few have the facilities or experience necessary for a major DIY.

Bummed for you Bill. Hope the New Year is much better.

Pierce
I think that you are dead on -- especially for a CAT.  Also appreciate your well wishes.

I agree. The engine could have been pulled, cylinder sleeved, rings and rod bearing, new gaskets.Valve job to the head.
I realize water went into the oil, but these engines are industrial grade, and can handle that. It isn't as though Bill drove it, and burnt it up. Simple cleaning of parts and inspection, put it back together.

It is sad, no one wants to fix stuff any more, just replace it. I did mine myself, it had basically the same issue, cost me $3500.00, plus I forced my buddy to take another $500.00 for helping me.
I realize Bill doesn't have the means to do it himself, but a shop should have been able to repair it as I said above for maybe 10K, and made good money.
I understand having a business means warranting your work, that is why they want to replace everything.But they are not warranting it anyway, so what would it matter.

I was told by a couple of people, these shops are just laying waiting for us. They know we have good credit or the money in savings to do whatever, and we are at their mercy once the coach is apart and in there shop.

Chris

Chris, I think maybe you're thinking of a small, independent shop.  An authorized CAT shop, at $150/hr, couldn't touch a rebuild for $10K.  In fact, that was the labor alone to pull the old engine and put in the new long block.  I believe that if you added up the hours starting from first wrench for removal to final test drive to temp that you and friend put in (including the hours for the outside shop to bore the block which CAT would do in house) then multiplied by $150 each it would likely exceed what I spent.

I chose to have them get the long block in rather than go that route because of the hassle factor.  They could spend the two plus weeks getting that block in while I was still in the coach.  It was two less weeks of dealing with a hotel, etc.

Yes it is a rip-off.  CAT is notoriously expensive as Olde English noted (I could relate some interesting stories about freelance firms making good money finding CAT component suppliers, cross referencing the parts and selling end users catalogs of original supplier replacements),  However, when I put it in the perspective of $110-120/hr at Foretravel or MHT it isn't any more of a rip, yet not  many comment that the folks in NAC see us coming.

I think that, in general, it is the nature of along-the-road service rather motorhome or truck.  If you want it back on the road relatively quickly (and can't do it yourself) you're going to pay for it unless you're a big outfit with service contracts all over.

I couldn't find my repair service list that had on my work computer.  I did find this search outfit that works well.  I tested it using the locations of the last three mechanical services and found the three small, competent shops that helped me out at reasonable prices.  This is work done on Class 8 trucks.  The big guy$ show up too but at least you have options on finding a shop that can do your work and maybe save yourself some CB.s  Try it out and maybe bookmark it.


NTTS Truck Repair

jk
Jack,
I gave your reference a try just for fun.  The only places that showed up within 100 miles were T/A outfits and one shop in Dallas.  My own experience showed T/A will not work on RV's by policy.  They wouldn't even tighten a leaking hydraulic hose connection for me.

Appreciate your well wishes.

Regards

1997 U295 40 with CAT 3126

 

Re: CAT 3126 Coolant in Oil: Followup

Reply #34
Bill
So if it's a authorized Cat shop, not sure why there is no labor warranty for that kind of money.
I hear what you are saying, but all my machine shop work was just shy of $1800.00 (our local Cat dealers use the same machine shop, they don't do any of that). All the genuine Cat parts , oil, coolant,hose's etc. was another $1700.00 and yes 50 hours labor at $150.00 is right at $7,500.00. That would be $11,000.00 total. At the $3500.0 I paid for machine shop and Cat for parts, they made their normal profit's. 3/4's of the $150.00 hour is all profit, because they don't pay their techs that. My machine work cost also included a $500.00 core charge for the cracked head.
Working off and on, I had about 50 hours with my job, that included detailing the engine compartment and super cleaning and painting all the parts.16 hrs of that was RnR engine, most I did myself. And I am not even setup like a shop that does it all the time as a business.
I also had to train myself as I went as I am not that familiar with what I was doing like a true diesel mechanic. My friend helped with assembling the main part of the long block,and helped with getting it back in. I did all the rest.
Didn't mean to make you feel bad.
If you are happy, and it's running good, it's water under the bridge.
Merry Christmas
Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348