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Diesel fuel smell

Lately I've noticed the smell of diesel fuel inside the coach. Only happens when climbing grades at full throttle. No sign of leakage that I can find. I've opened all outside compartments and can see or smell nothing except at the passenger side fuel tank, where there is some diesel odor.

What's going on?

Is it possible the return fuel is splashing or foaming and getting out the filler neck or cap?  The tank is near full.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #1
First suspect is Fuel cap .. then fuel line and aqua hot(if you have one). Generator fuel filter.. there are 2 and one is under the coach at the passengers seat almost towards the middle. Generator fuel lines?

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #2
Somewhere, somehow any tank has to be vented. Might start your search for solutions there. Hot diesel returning is more likely to evaporate.
Old Phart Phred, EIEIO
89 GV ored 36' #3405 300 hp cat 3208 ATAAC side radiator, mountain tamer exhaust brake

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #3
Since the smell appears to be around the filler,  I switched caps side to side last night . I might also rubber band s baggie over the cap as a test. Both caps are equally old, but look ok.

The rubber bellows around the neck is long gone, but appeared to be cosmetic only.

I'm going to try some sealing tape around the neck.  Then see if it's any different on Saturday, my next driving day.

Would a new cap be a common auto-parts item? I have a Walmart nearby.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #4
Don't know about your coach but our fuel cap is a pressure cap holding a couple of pounds pressure while running and gives a puff when we fuel. A little diesel can really smell. Not as bad as a gasoline leak thought. Take a look at any part number that may be on the cap and then look up the specs for the cap.

P
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #5
Somewhere, somehow any tank has to be vented. Might start your search for solutions there. Hot diesel returning is more likely to evaporate.

My FT has a separate vent hose coming out the top of the tank and exiting beneath the compartment floor.

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #6
My 03 also has a fuel vent line also. Would think Tom's would also.
Richard & Betty Bark & Keiko our Golden Doodle
2003 U320T 3820 PBDS
Build # 6215
MC # 16926
2016 Chevrolet Colorado 4X4 diesel

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #7
Good observations so far.

DO put finding the source and correcting it high on your "to do" list.  Diesel fuel smell is hard to get rid of AND, if it gets down into the foam insulation in the basement floor, it will DISSOLVE IT.  I have seen that (wavy bottom FG) on a couple of coaches I have inspected.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #8
The rubber bellows around the neck is long gone, but appeared to be cosmetic only.


It's a CV-joint boot, IIRC. 
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #9
My cap is un-vented. I bought two new ones today. 

Yes, the bellows was a cut cv joint bellows. I never bothered to replace them.

I plan to seal around the filler neck with self fusing tape.

Back on the road on Saturday. Will see if it has improved.

No Aquahot, but for all 11 years I've owned it, there has always been a slight diesel smell in the bays.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #10
While changing out the fuel caps and adding the tape, I noticed a definite diesel trail running from the filler down the face of the tank to the drain slot.

I feel good that I may have it solved 

Thanks all. I'll report back on Saturday.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #11
Maybe better, but not resolved.

No diesel smell in any of the outside compartments other than a tiny bit around the passenger side filler. Might be residual spillage.

But I still get the diesel smell inside the coach while on the road. Possibly more when driving hard uphill. And it appears to be everywhere, but not around the engine or generator 

And no signs of leaks.

Is it possible the return line is leaking fumes but not liquid diesel?
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #12
Not very likely fumes are in the return lines. A little bit of diesel liquid will leave a lot of odor.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #13
You got it.  Vented and use original gunk underneath the entire front end then rinse it off.

Drove me expensive crazy long ago.

Stream of fuel after a hard long grade pull without vented caps. Duh.

Posted this long ago.

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #14
My caps are not vented, but the tank should be.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #15
Now find air/odor/ water Vapor  leaks into the coach and seal them up
Old Phart Phred, EIEIO
89 GV ored 36' #3405 300 hp cat 3208 ATAAC side radiator, mountain tamer exhaust brake

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #16
The tank is vented,  full tank.  Big hill. Non vented caps. Big stream of fuel under front of coach. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #17
The tank is vented,  full tank.  Big hill. Non vented caps. Big stream of fuel under front of coach. 

If this is the case then the vent line check valve is bad and needs replacing.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #18
The fuel line, which is under vacuum while driving, will release diesel fumes through tiny cracks when you're parked.  How old are the fuel lines?  I had diesel smell from small spills while refilling.  FT removed the tank covers and recaulked all floor penetrations.  No more smells.
Regards,
Brett

'99 42' Foretravel Xtreme
'14 Brown Motorsports Stacker
'05 Chevy SSR
'02 BMW R1150R

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #19
My fuel lines are original, from 2003. My mechanics looked them over a few months ago and said they were still good.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #20
Apparently not?
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #21
Good news. Problem solved.

It was a nothingburger.

Last time my mechanic worked on the engine, he lowered the bed onto the control box for my electric mattress pad. Left about a half inch gap for exhaust gases to get in.

Drove five hours today without a hint of diesel fumes.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #22
Don't you love free fixes?

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #23
Tom  ----  You may have a diesel leak around your engine some where.  I'd check under the injector pump seal.  I wouldn't think that you'd smell diesel if there wasn't a leak some where.  Could be a loose injector or connection.  With the engine hatch not sealed, I could understand an exhaust smell, but not a diesel smell unless -----  Have a great day  ----  Fritz
Fritz & Kathy Johnson
1991 36'

 

Re: Diesel fuel smell

Reply #24
I cleaned up the spillage around the tank, and no longer smell diesel anywhere. I suspect it was exhaust. May be a little unturned diesel in the exhaust under certain full throttle conditions.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer