Gen auto start?

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Gen auto start?

June 05, 2020, 10:29:53 pm

Anyone looked at their auto start system in a 96,97 or around there.

Our 5132 coach does not have the gen wizard unit installed. No "simple switch" in the overhead cabinet. No wiring.

Anyone have a gen auto start or put one in?

I have the needed box. Just wanted to help my guru buddy with maybe rounding up needed wiring in advance.

Our 97 power tech gen requires a 5 wire hookup and the AGS-N box needs to have three relays inside.

One for start. One for stop. And the last one for the preheat circuit.

Good to go on that. If it does not start it will retry up to 4 times.

Late gens may have the restart built into them. Not these it seems.

Any info or even pictures would help.

My coach has the wiring diagram in its manual. Non specific coach drawing. Various builds.

Just nothing I can see easily.

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Reply #1 – June 06, 2020, 07:32:04 am

Bob are you talking about the Dynagen ES52 module? That controls the start process with first preheat, fuel pump, and crank for 3 times before faulting. There are 2 relays on the module for crank and fuel. FT also has 3 additional relays and 1 latching relay. This is on my '99 U320 with 10Kw Powertech. I recently moved this to the side compartment so may be able to answer questions.

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Reply #2 – June 06, 2020, 09:39:41 am

This Electrical print may help..

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Reply #3 – June 06, 2020, 12:09:54 pm

Mine has nothing installed. 97's had gen wizard gen start, I understand they were problem units.

Anyone add a magnum unit?

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Reply #4 – June 06, 2020, 12:25:55 pm

I have a magnum but I haven't tried to hook up the auto gen start as the one that is in there works.

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Reply #5 – June 06, 2020, 12:34:30 pm

Old guy the magnum can auto start from its furnished temp probe input.

By itself it's temp triggered for hot. If the coaches thermostat is left on to ac use when it reaches its set point the gen starts then after the various warmups the ac will come on.

If you have newer domestic roof airs and/or new boards and a 10 button thermostat I understand you can tie the HVAC systems inputs into the gens autostart function.

Its seems to be capable of being dual setback. Both heat and cool demands can start the gen separately from battery SOC.

I think it's capable of switching between heat pump and furnaces and/or aquahot or the roof ac side as needed.

Can be triggered by the basement thermostat in aqua hot coaches

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Reply #6 – June 06, 2020, 11:44:32 pm

Here is some info about out Magnum gen autostart add-on.
Magnum AGS, standalone model because we do not have Magnum charge/inverter.

We do not use the autostart high temperature feature, only use low voltage to autostart.

Auto Gen Start / Diodes / Voltage

Auto Gen Start / Diodes / Voltage

Log in

All wire connections were to dash switches

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Reply #7 – June 07, 2020, 01:01:22 am

Good info. Thanks. I read the manual for the AGS that was posted . Similar to the xantrex unit. If you look up the networked (ME-AGS-N) unit you will find out it night and day different from the standalone. Everything is adjustable. No diodes needed

My guru buddy mentioned the same thing I noted when we talked about the adjustablability and customization that was available and thought a lot of it could be over most owners level of interest.

Not as user friendly as the AGS and the std control panel(ME-RC) but if you are "into" this and study up the system's ability to be retrofit into a 23 year old coach is amazing.

Most do not have the time or interest or need to go into the levels available here.

But what the heck. I'm a nerd. And have the time so why not.

In for a penny might as well be a pound.

Fascinated to me that the HVAC can be a fully integrated dual setback setup with auto gen start and high end solar capacity and controls.

Amazing to me. Do I need all that? No. Not really but it's a "want" not a "need"

The new coaches are setup like this. Auto heat and air and gen and solar. So why not

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Reply #8 – June 07, 2020, 07:54:17 am

I have a Genwizard unit installed on mine.
It would turn on unexpectedly and then fail to shut off!
I don't trust it or use it!

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Reply #9 – June 07, 2020, 11:53:22 am

Charlie,
Where is your Genwizard module physically located? I have a Magnum inverter and the Magnum network Autostart module but I haven't put it in yet. Installing it would be a lot easier if I could find the one that is there. I am not sure ours has a Genwizard, but ours in an early 99' model year build and the Autostart function works but sometimes won't stay off once it starts. Other 99's that I have seen have an Autostart module located on the pull up board in the center dash that also has the IPX Wiper master controller, Audit Monitor, etc., but no generator autostart module.
Don

Quote from: Want2rv – June 07, 2020, 07:54:17 am

I have a Genwizard unit installed on mine.
It would turn on unexpectedly and then fail to shut off!
I don't trust it or use it!

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Reply #10 – June 07, 2020, 01:42:16 pm

Don,
The box with the board is on the rear bulkhead of the front bay, driver's side. The control switch in a panel with the antenna power switch, above the drivers side dash.
The red light is on because I turned it off just a few minutes after it fired up my generator. That causes a fault, to clear the fault there is a micro switch inside of the control box.
I leave it in "fault mode" since I don't want it to start the generator.

Sorry the pictures posted sideways!

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Reply #11 – June 07, 2020, 01:53:00 pm

Don could you let me know what it takes to install the networked one in your coach if you have nothing already there like mine?

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Reply #12 – June 07, 2020, 01:55:06 pm

Don could you let me know what it takes to install the networked one in your coach if you have nothing already there like mine?

Charlie I have the drawing but no unit as far as I can find

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Reply #13 – June 07, 2020, 02:02:22 pm

Is it possible to add the option that the 02 has? Not sure what it's called but when left on I have found it can ran a lot of diesel when not plugged in...

Left my coach for repairs (in names repair facility). They didn't plug it in and ran 1/4 tank of diesel out in a 3 week period.. back when it was 4$ per gallon..

But the batteries were charged.. gotta pay one way or the other.. now I have solar to help me

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Reply #14 – June 07, 2020, 03:32:44 pm

What does the 02 have?

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Reply #15 – June 07, 2020, 10:28:31 pm

Thanks
Thanks for the picture Charlie! That lets me know that what ours has is not a Genwizard. I thought maybe what we had was different from other 99's because I haven't found ours where other 99's seem to have them. I am wondering if maybe the Autostart mechanism on ours is in the control box. Forum members have been kind enough to post pictures of the Autostart modules and I know for sure whatever autostart module we have, it is not where theirs is. Guess I will just have to resort to tracing the wires back from the switch, which looks to be none too easy and requires possibly parsing large wire bundles.
Don

Quote from: Want2rv – June 07, 2020, 01:42:16 pm

Don,
The box with the board is on the rear bulkhead of the front bay, driver's side. The control switch in a panel with the antenna power switch, above the drivers side dash.
The red light is on because I turned it off just a few minutes after it fired up my generator. That causes a fault, to clear the fault there is a micro switch inside of the control box.
I leave it in "fault mode" since I don't want it to start the generator.

Sorry the pictures posted sideways!

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Reply #16 – June 07, 2020, 10:31:46 pm

When I get around to it I will post whatever info I can on the process. The one we currently have always seems to start it, but I want more control of the process.
Don

Quote from: Caflashbob – June 07, 2020, 01:55:06 pm

Don could you let me know what it takes to install the networked one in your coach if you have nothing already there like mine?

Charlie I have the drawing but no unit as far as I can find

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Reply #17 – June 07, 2020, 11:34:21 pm

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Reply #18 – June 08, 2020, 05:10:28 pm

Is anyone using the following? This is to those with a Xantrex SW2012 or SW3012., or concidering buying one. For these two inverter/chargers Xantrex offers the Xantrex Sequence. This is a smart energy management system that appears easy to install near your main AC circuit panel. Say it is a hot summer day on shore power or generator, with both ac units going, residential refrigerator, electric hot water heater rod on, and you go to run microwave that might overload your system, you can prioritize which item to shut off first, say hot water, then rear ac. This could save tripping a breaker, or causing another problem. It also can be programmed to combine with Xantrex auto gen start, to start generator by temperature, and fire up air conditioning units.

My reason for considering installing this is I already have the SW inverter/charger and have an uninstalled Xantrex auto gen start display, so not for the auto gen start, however for automatically sheding and re-engaging loads to avoid the nuisance circuit breaker tripping. This normally will only happen when I am away from the rv, my wife goes to use the microwave, and she calls me to say "The air conditioning just went out." It seems to be worth it to me.

Xantrex 809-0913 Freedom Sequence | DonRowe.com

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Reply #19 – June 08, 2020, 05:16:30 pm

My Auto Start does not work on my coach. I just ordered the Magnum Auto Generator Start - Stand Alone ME-AGS-S for my coach.
John M.

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