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As I type this by candlelight... Electrical problem. Help neded.

So we get to our Escapees rally and half the coach's electrical system is not working.  Both legs of the 50 amp service are present at the pole and at the transfer switch and also at the main (large) breaker box.  Wire comes out of this box and joins a lot of similar wires running towards the front of the coach.  It returns to the smaller breaker box but no power is present.  This leg supplies all the outlets in the coach as well as the microwave and washer.  The inverter is also powered on this leg.  A/C is working as it's on the other leg.  House batteries are at 8.0 volts. we have no 12 volt power and the generator is not working (that's another issue).  We cannot run the engine, as it's 10pm, to charge the batteries.  Also it's not the ground fault interrupter causing it.

So where does the wire go after it leaves the main breaker box?  I have turned off the inverter and looked behind the white cover in the bay.  What am  I missing here?

Keith



Keith, Joyce & Smokey the Australian Cattle Dog
1995 U320 SE Extreme 40' WTBI Build # 4780, with a Honda CR-V hopefully still following behind.
Motorcade # 17030
FMCA # F422159

Re: As I type this by candlelight... Electrical problem. Help neded.

Reply #1
Keith,

In your owners manuals you should have the 110V Relay System wiring diagram, A-2700.xx

The link below is from the Forum library.  it may not be correct for your earlier model coach.

Sorry I can't be more help.  Your reported symptoms seem pretty confusing to me, but I'm a English major.

https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=3269

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
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Reply #2
If what you are loosing is what the inverter gives you maybe the transfer switch part
of the inverter isn't working.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

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Reply #3
I believe the power goes to the inverter/charger and then back to the smaller breaker box.  Some inverter/charges had a push in circuit breaker.  That might have tripped.  If the inverter/charger has died you can connect the wires going to and from the inverter to get power to your small breaker box.  That will solve that problem but will not solve the 12v problem.  If the inverter/charger has died and can not get one quickly you can go and get a battery charger and connect to your house batteries.  Not an idea setup but something to get you by.
2014 ih45  (4th Foretravel owned)
 1997 36' U295 Sold in 2020, owned for 19 years
  U240 36' Sold to insurance company after melting in garage fire
    33' Foretravel on Dodge Chassis  Sold very long time ago

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Reply #4
Assuming your '95 is similar to my '99, lift up the bed.  There will (might) be 2 transfer switch boxes. The upper box is for shore power/generator, the lower box will be for shore power and inverter. 
When my inverter died and wouldn't allow any 120vac power through it or charge the batteries what I did was open the lower box after making certain there was NO power coming into the coach, and rewire the transfer switch so that it bypassed the inverter and sent power directly to the subpanel next to the main panel at the foot of the bed.  That gave me full power throughout the coach.  I still had no charging to the house batteries so had to find a dumb charger to get some charge. 
Forest & Cindy Olivier
1987 log cabin
2011 Roadtrek C210P
no longer 1999 36' U320 build #5522
2013 Rzr 570 & 2018 Ranger XP1000
2006 Lexus GX470
2011 Tahoe LT 4x4
Previous 1998 45' 2 slide Newell, 1993 39' Newell

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Reply #5
If the second OEM transfer switch is working it selects land line (or generator) or inverter.  Only one or the other.  If you are plugged in or the generator is running then it doesn't matter what the transfer switch in the inverter charger does (if there is one), the secondary panel gets power from the main panel.

The Inverter/charger transfer switch passes through 120v AC if it is available or inverter power if it is not.  If 120vAC from generator or landline is available the coach second transfer switch switches to that power and there is no connection to the inverter.

This assumes you have two transfer switches.

Open and close the breakers to the inverter and the secondary panel.

8 volts is very low.  They didn't charge while driving?  some chargers will not charge if the voltage is too low.

Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #6
Since you are getting neither battery charging nor "pass through" power from the inverter to outlets, microwave, etc check for 120 VAC power IN at the inverter.  Don't know what inverter you have-- some have resettable breakers, some an internal fuse.

And, at 8 VDC, a smart inverter/charger will not attempt to charge the batteries.  You will need either a "stupid charger" or jump from toad to get the voltage high enough that the inverter/charger will take over.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #7
The "small" breaker box contains the breakers for the inverted circuits. It gets power from the inverter. It does not supply power to the inverter. So.....I'd say you have an inverter problem. It would help as mentioned above to know what inverter you have.
1994 U280, Build 4490
Deming, NM.

 

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Reply #8
With my 95 I have found that "major" electrical problems are usually simple fixes.
Somehow the salesman switch was turned off
The circuit breaker on the "old" Heart inverter/charger flipped
The ground fault in the bathroom popped
1995 U320C SE 40'
Jeep 4x4 Commander - Limited - Hemi
"The Pack"  Yogi and Diesel our Airedales -  Charlie our Boxer/Akita mix. Gone but NEVER forgotten Jake our yellow Lab.
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