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Re: Using newly added Valtera gate valve on sewer line

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I'm not sure what adding an additional vacuum breaker to this system will do other than drastically increase the complexity of the install. I will agree to a backflow preventer. Trying to go 6 inches above the tank?
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Reply #26
George, before you dump again just make sure the volume of liquid in the gray tank is greater than the volume in the black tank or you could get black sewage in the gray tank. That's usually not a good thing to happen.

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Just found out that some Prevosts combine black and gray in a single tank.
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Reply #27
No cables to worry about here 8)!!  Another benefit of lack of technology.  I manually pull a handle ;D!  Just have to lub the valve and rod once in a while.
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Reply #28
Pat, I agree, simple is best.

Also, it really helps to dump a 1/2 bottle of vegetable oil into each tank once a year. The oil will lubricate the O rings in the Valtera valve an make it operate much easier. 
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Reply #29
Just found out that some Prevosts combine black and gray in a single tank.

George, before you dump again just make sure the volume of liquid in the gray tank is greater than the volume in the black tank or you could get black sewage in the gray tank. That's usually not a good thing to happen.
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So is Foretravel right now. In fact if I were to get a new coach
, I would get a single tank with the grey water bypass. In some places you can dump the grey water on the ground and you will have a huge black tank for extended stays. Ere is no issue with smell but do not back up the shower is all.
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Re: Using newly added Valtera gate valve on sewer line

Reply #30
I were to get a new coach
, I would get a single tank with the grey water bypass. In some places you can dump the grey water on the ground

Surely that isn't the only option with the grey water bypass.  Most states we've visited prohibit discharge of grey water on the ground (with hefty fines if you do).  Of course, we haven't been to most of the west or central plains states where it may not be an issue.

I would think (hope) it would allow the grey water to bypass the single holding tank and flow out the waste valve and hose, draining into a hookup at a campground as an option, similar to how many of us use our separate tanks.

Otherwise, you're looking at going through a lot of tank chemical.
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Reply #31
I were to get a new coach
, I would get a single tank with the grey water bypass. In some places you can dump the grey water on the ground

Surely that isn't the only option with the grey water bypass.  Most states we've visited prohibit discharge of grey water on the ground (with hefty fines if you do).  Of course, we haven't been to most of the west or central plains states where it may not be an issue.
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Once we get settled in the USACOE Salt Springs Recreation Area near Ocala, FL in early January,  I will be dismantling our utility bay in order to access and replace the dump valves.  At the same time I would like to replace the black ribbed rubber mat in that bay, but I do not know where to buy it or what to use to adhere it in place.  Where would you look?

George, last week as we were leaving NAC, when dumping the tanks at camp Foretravel my gray tank valve handle broke off before I could open it. Fortunately, it was at 7:00 AM so they took us into the shop immediately. What we all thought would be an hour or less job took almost 5 hours just to replace the one valve. As it turns out when I added the third valve, it now prevents the left hand fiberglass panel from coming out of the bay. Without the proper cutting tool to get behind the wall, replacing the valves is very difficult. I suppose that you might be able to simply replace the O rings, gaskets and the valve blades by disassembling the valves rather than cutting them off but if you are planning to replace them, figure on a lot of time. As I recall, you too have a third valve near the cap. 

Have you tried dumping in a bottle of vegetable oil in the tanks to lubricate the valve?
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Reply #33
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the third valve, it now prevents the left hand fiberglass panel from coming out of the bay. Without the proper cutting tool to get behind the wall, replacing the valves is very difficult....

Yuck! There must be a better way to add a third valve that doesn't trap the panel behind it. Is there room to add the third valve with "twist on/twist off" fittings?
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Reply #34
Kent,
 
Oh crap.  I knew it would not be easy, but I did not think about the new third valve being in the way, but you are so correct. Do you have any idea what the cutting tool is that the factory used.
 
I hope someone has some suggestions.
 
Thanks for the heads up.  I might have to cut off the new valve, and splice in a new section of sewer pipe after the repair.  Aarrggghhhhhhh!
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Reply #35
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the third valve, it now prevents the left hand fiberglass panel from coming out of the bay. Without the proper cutting tool to get behind the wall, replacing the valves is very difficult....

Yuck! There must be a better way to add a third valve that doesn't trap the panel behind it. Is there room to add the third valve with "twist on/twist off" fittings?

I don't have a pic to post; but I bought a Valterra gate valve with a standard bayonet fitting and merely put it on the end of the sewer discharge.  I do have to be careful to keep the sewer hose tight when opening the tank valves; and, I can't fully close the bay door when hooked up.  When the temperature drops to freezing, I disconnect the sewer hose until needed, then fully close the bay door.

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Reply #36
Parts for twist lock valve.
 1-t58 valve
 1-t1029-2 slip hub
 1-t1020 cap
 All parts are from Valterra.
 Cut off the old Thetford fitting and replace with the Valterra slip hub, install new valve and cap.
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Reply #37
I don't have a pic to post; but I bought a Valterra gate valve with a standard bayonet fitting and merely put it on the end of the sewer discharge.  I do have to be careful to keep the sewer hose tight when opening the tank valves; and, I can't fully close the bay door when hooked up.  When the temperature drops to freezing, I disconnect the sewer hose until needed, then fully close the bay door.

If or when a permanently installed sewer valve fails, what will you do with the twist off valve when you need to close the bay door?
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Reply #38
Not necessary to cut off the white Thetford fitting.  Just start with a Valterra fitting and end with Valterra if that is what you want for hose connection.  We use Thetford on both end of our add-on home-made valve.

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Reply #39
Kent,
 
Oh crap.  I knew it would not be easy, but I did not think about the new third valve being in the way, but you are so correct. Do you have any idea what the cutting tool is that the factory used.
 
I hope someone has some suggestions.
 
Thanks for the heads up.  I might have to cut off the new valve, and splice in a new section of sewer pipe after the repair.  Aarrggghhhhhhh!


George, FOT used a very small, air powered sawzall. I used the Black and Decker Handisaw, Amazon.com: Black & Decker CHS6000 6-Volt Handisaw Cordless Powered Hand Saw:. It is about the same size and very handy to carry in the motorhome.

I would suggest that you do a complete replacement as a last resort. If the vegetable oil doesn't work, taking the valve apart, cleaning it and replacing the gaskets and blade should suffice. Then you don't have to cut anything and there is no realignment problem. If the valves are like mine, you just need a 1/4" ratchet and a 3/8" or 7/16" socket and box end wrench. An air ratchet would really help. Just be careful to not over tighten the bolts when reassembling. You can break the valve body easily.

Good Luck!!!
 
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Reply #40
FOT used a very small, air powered sawzall. I used the Black and Decker Handisaw, Amazon.com: Black & Decker CHS6000 6-Volt Handisaw Cordless Powered Hand Saw:. It is about the same size and very handy to carry in the motorhome.

Kent,
Thanks for the link, it always makes it easier than to try and search for what you are describing  8)
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Reply #41
Kent,
 
Oh crap.  I knew it would not be easy, but I did not think about the new third valve being in the way, but you are so correct. Do you have any idea what the cutting tool is that the factory used.
 
I hope someone has some suggestions.
 
Thanks for the heads up.  I might have to cut off the new valve, and splice in a new section of sewer pipe after the repair.  Aarrggghhhhhhh!


George, FOT used a very small, air powered sawzall. I used the Black and Decker Handisaw, Amazon.com: Black & Decker CHS6000 6-Volt Handisaw Cordless Powered Hand Saw:. It is about the same size and very handy to carry in the motorhome.

I would suggest that you do a complete replacement as a last resort. If the vegetable oil doesn't work, taking the valve apart, cleaning it and replacing the gaskets and blade should suffice. Then you don't have to cut anything and there is no realignment problem. If the valves are like mine, you just need a 1/4" ratchet and a 3/8" or 7/16" socket and box end wrench. An air ratchet would really help. Just be careful to not over tighten the bolts when reassembling. You can break the valve body easily.

Good Luck!!!
 


Kent,

Great suggestion.  Once I get visual access to the actual valves I can determine if there are any other issues other than a separated cable.  I really like your idea of rebuilding the valves and not having to deal with cutting, sealing and alignment issues.  Thanks again.
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Reply #42
I was at Camping World today and saw that they sell a regular gate valve with black valterra fittings on each end.

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Reply #43
I cut mine off just behind the fitting and attached a new valve an then a thetford fitting right to the valve. I can close the door and it is no longer than the original.
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Reply #44
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the third valve, it now prevents the left hand fiberglass panel from coming out of the bay.

There must be a better way to add a third valve that doesn't trap the panel behind it.

Since we're planning to add a third valve, this is all timely discussion.  Figuring out how to add the valve yet still allow the bay door to close AND access to what's behind the white panel is going on the list.  I know Steve is already working on how to redo the panel with small access doors/ports so he can get to the tank sensors without disassembling that whole compartment.  Yet another engineering challenge. 

Probably a good one to for someone to mention to MOT as well since they are doing some of the 3rd valve retrofits. 

Michelle
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Reply #45
I cut mine off just behind the fitting and attached a new valve an then a thetford fitting right to the valve. I can close the door and it is no longer than the original.

John,

That is exactly what Rance did when we had him add the valve at Xtreme.
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