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Reply #25
im thinking about repowering my 90 gv with a 3208t (8.2 detroit died) what trans should i use. i have the 545 init now
Mike
1990 GV 36'

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Reply #26
Brett is one of the Cat guys and Dave has done a lot of hands on work with Cummins and most everything else. Drop them a note and see what they recommend. Probably a good move as not a lot of people to set the 8.2 up as I have recently seen on a couple of forums. If you have not made your final decision, read: http://www.expertdiesel.com/82_detroit.htm  Up until last month, I did not know it even existed.
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #27
MT 643 or 647. Under 2 grand over the counter, all mechanical.
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Titusville, FL - The Great Outdoors
'98 270 buying this month
Toad is a 2018 F150 XLT

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Reply #28
Mentioning replacing the tranny, is there a way to get 6 speeds and a retarder to replace my 647?
John Cooper
'91 GV 36'
Oshkosh chassis
Cat 3208T 300HP

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Reply #29
Serious bucks plus re-engineering, including adequate cooling. I would say $10K...
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Titusville, FL - The Great Outdoors
'98 270 buying this month
Toad is a 2018 F150 XLT

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Reply #30
FYI - there was a retarder version of the 647, by the way...
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Titusville, FL - The Great Outdoors
'98 270 buying this month
Toad is a 2018 F150 XLT

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Reply #31
Dave, The Retarder version that you speak of may be what Ken H has in his 92, attached is a photo, it is with a 6V92.  I Could not get under it to read the tag and I have never seen one like this.  It has a two position switch on the dash. Ken would like to know what he has.
Gary B



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Reply #32
I think those were B500R's - He can call Foretravel and they can tell him exactly what is in there. Usually their installs were 'on/off' with 3 pressure switches in the brake system. Here's a pic of a B300R - the retarder is on the left end - the black portion. You can see they don't take up much space. Allison Transmission " BRAND NEW " Model B300R | eBay.
The issue is - the plumbing, wiring and cooling mods to integrate it to a coach - and shortening the drive shaft.
The selected media item is not currently available. Dave Head & Megan Westbrook
Titusville, FL - The Great Outdoors
'98 270 buying this month
Toad is a 2018 F150 XLT

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Reply #33
Dave, The Retarder version that you speak of may be what Ken H has in his 92, attached is a photo, it is with a 6V92.  I Could not get under it to read the tag and I have never seen one like this.  It has a two position switch on the dash. Ken would like to know what he has.
Gary B

Gary, are you sure it has a transmission retarder? I also have a U300 with a 6V92. My dash switch also says retarder and is also a two position on switch but I believe it is for a Jake brake.
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Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

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Reply #34
MTB-648 is what's in my '91 U300 with a 300hp 6V92 - it has a retarder.
John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho

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Reply #35
MTB-648 is what's in my '91 U300 with a 300hp 6V92 - it has a retarder.

John, is it a transmission retarder or a Jake brake? I thought I had a transmission retarder when I bought my coach but found out is was a Jake. I drove a U320 with a transmission retarder and there is a major and noticeable difference in performance however I'm very happy with my Jake since it does not heat up the transmission going down long, big hills like the transmission retarder. In this heat, that's pretty important.
The selected media item is not currently available.Kent Speers
Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

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Reply #36
It is REAL simple to detect the difference between a JAKE Brake and the Allison Retarder.
Just open your drivers window, WHEN driving apply the additional braking device, IF you hear any change in the engine exhaust sound it should be a JAKE Brake , if no different sounds, it would be a retarder as they do not make any noise AT ALL..
And for sure there is a major difference in braking effect between the Jake and the Retarder, The Jake is not nearly as effective, Yes the Jake does not heat up the water, but it also is limp in comparison.  Controlling water temp is a minor issue unless you over drive your situation.

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Reply #37
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John, is it a transmission retarder or a Jake brake?

It's a retarder.  It's totally silent, makes the tranny temp gauge move like the second hand on a watch when fully applied, and you can physically see the extra housing on the output side of the tranny along with the huge hoses going to the heat exchanger.  The "B" in MTB-648 means retarder.  Attached is the brochure from my coach book.  Notice the max. input power is 250hp - but my engine is 300hp (confirmed from the DDEC printout).  I never got an explanation of why FT did that but the tranny does seem to handle the hp without a problem.  When I first bought the coach I asked DD if I could increase the HP to 350 and the answer was no.  I suspect it's because of the tranny and the cooling system (rear radiator).  I think that is why FT moved to the 700 series when they upped the engine power a year later to 350 in the '92 models (along with a side radiator).  I suspect the real reason the tranny works in mine is because trannies are actually limited by the torque they can transmit not really the power.  The 6V92 puts out 820 ft-lbs verses the tranny limit of 780 ft-lbs. - so it's only 5% over.  The HP and Torque ratings are for an engine are without any accessories (alternator, pumps, compressors) so the real torque to the tranny is probably at its limit or lower.
John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho