Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #25 – April 22, 2014, 11:48:41 pm I am confused about adding helper springs. To add helper springs, the wheels are removed and slide pins need to be removed, and if slide pins are removed, they should be inspected, cleaned and replaced if pitted (& in our case we spray and wipe with CorrosionX). So if the slide pins were cleaned & inspected, it is absolutely worth $400. We thinks slide pins should be cleaned every 2-3 years or so. Brake pads move on slide pins and if they hang up, costs can be high to fix.Springs are a nice add, but not required, and will not fix a problem brake. We added springs when we did our last brake inspection & lube.I don't see any reason to re-grease brakes if a high temp grease was used AND PURGED. Brakes probably only need to be greased about 3 or 4 years and Meritor says only couple times in their lifetime, but who knows what a brake lifetime is, especially with Allison retarded installed. Our original pads are still looking like new with 150,000 miles.Why do you think your left rear is dragging? Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #26 – April 23, 2014, 12:04:36 am My opinion !! I do not really know what to believe, but never had any hang up on brakes so do not know what to do. I spray now and again with dry silicone lube spray and before this trip they looked great.??JohnH Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #27 – June 13, 2014, 01:13:55 pm Are there any images or videos for how to adjust slack adjusters and purge grease. Just wanting to make absolutely sure I don't create a problem on what are right now functional brakes! Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #28 – June 13, 2014, 02:33:28 pm yes there is a long video on the Meritor site showing all the aspects of the brakes.JohnH Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #29 – June 13, 2014, 03:16:12 pm The attached may help. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #30 – June 17, 2014, 11:42:36 am Had the brake caliper lube purged and replaced with the right Grade #1 stuff at Peterbuilt in Missoula - $119.00. Although it is true that a grade #2 lube may meet the specs, there are 3 things the spec calls for. High temp, low temp and lube viscosity. Many grade #2 lubes meet the Meritor specs. Not sure if the low temp requirement is important to us as we will probably not see subzero temps while under way. When the tech checked the slack adjusters after the purge and re-lube he stated that the slack adjusters were set correctly. He also stated that our brakes looked almost new. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #31 – June 19, 2014, 03:03:14 pm Thanks to George's thread recently, I was aware of the clay based and had ours done with it. The service company did not have and had to special order it. I printed off the pages from Barry's site and hand delivered to the service advisor to ensure accuracy. They were also appreciative of the diagram as they had not seen the disc brakes before.David Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #32 – June 19, 2014, 09:38:16 pm David - nice to hear you dodged that bullet. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #33 – August 27, 2015, 04:58:34 pm Quote from: Carol & Scott – June 17, 2014, 11:42:36 amHad the brake caliper lube purged and replaced with the right Grade #1 stuff at Peterbuilt in Missoula - $119.00. Although it is true that a grade #2 lube may meet the specs, there are 3 things the spec calls for. High temp, low temp and lube viscosity. Many grade #2 lubes meet the Meritor specs. Not sure if the low temp requirement is important to us as we will probably not see subzero temps while under way. When the tech checked the slack adjusters after the purge and re-lube he stated that the slack adjusters were set correctly. He also stated that our brakes looked almost new.Scott - was it Montana Peterbilt you had do the work in Missoula? I called them today to see about purging red grease from our brakes but the service fellow I talked to didn't recall working on a motorhome and said they have only started working on Meritor air disk brakes on trucks recently... If this is the right place I'll call back and try for a different fellow.Background - I had the oil changed in Kalispell; I had asked for NO chassis lubrication but found the tech busily greasing before I stopped him; I thought I had stopped him before he got to the brakes.A few weeks (300 miles) later I was going to have RnR in Liberty Lake, WA, inspect and lube the brakes but once the coach was up on the hoist they informed me that all 4 brakes had red grease on the nipples and it would be a 10 hour job to take all the calipers apart, purge the grease and check to see if new parts were required ($2600 was the worst case estimate for parts if all new parts required – which they doubted). He did say the brake pads looked good.The RnR tech has been working on Foretravel chassis for some years and seemed to know his stuff (although didn't know about Meritor helper springs).With a $1000+ cost estimate, I thought I'd do some more research first. I've been looking at FF posts and the Meritor website trying to learn a bit more about brakes and what is required to get rid of the dreaded red grease. It seems from FF posts that the red grease can be forced out with the proper grease and, as long as excess grease is purged, all can be good. Now it's to find someone to do it properly... (the coach is back in Kalispell until we head south in September). Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #34 – August 27, 2015, 05:14:11 pm Quote from: Grant L – August 27, 2015, 04:58:34 pmThe RnR tech has been working on Foretravel chassis for some years and seemed to know his stuff (although didn't know about Meritor helper springs)....That would likely be Luke. He does know Foretravels and is a decent guy who seems to care. When I had an issue he couldn't solve, he called FOT to get an answer...and when the answer was WRONG, he considered it a while and called FOT back and got a "lower" tech to tell him the right way to fix my issue (about 10% of the cost that FOT had initially suggested). RnR may cost a little more than some, but I trust Luke to fix things and fix them right. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #35 – August 27, 2015, 05:23:39 pm Grant I PM'd you. Give me a call and I will explain who did what and where. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #36 – August 27, 2015, 06:13:36 pm Quote from: Brad & Christine Slaughter – August 27, 2015, 05:14:11 pmThat would likely be Luke. He does know Foretravels and is a decent guy who seems to care. When I had an issue he couldn't solve, he called FOT to get an answer...and when the answer was WRONG, he considered it a while and called FOT back and got a "lower" tech to tell him the right way to fix my issue (about 10% of the cost that FOT had initially suggested). RnR may cost a little more than some, but I trust Luke to fix things and fix them right. Brad - the fellow working on FT chassis (at least on mine) was Rich and had a number of years experience with FT; Luke was also in the shop but seemed to have a different FT specialty. Yes RnR seemed quite competent; I thought I'd do some more checking before I proceeded. We won't be going back that way until next summer though.Scott - thanks for all the info. I'll post the results when I have some (likely late September). Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #37 – August 27, 2015, 09:47:08 pm Quote from: Grant L – August 27, 2015, 06:13:36 pmBrad - the fellow working on FT chassis (at least on mine) was Rich and had a number of years experience with FT; Luke was also in the shop but seemed to have a different FT specialty. Yes RnR seemed quite competent; I thought I'd do some more checking before I proceeded. We won't be going back that way until next summer though.Scott - thanks for all the info. I'll post the results when I have some (likely late September).Quote from: Grant L – August 27, 2015, 04:58:34 pmScott - was it Montana Peterbilt you had do the work in Missoula? I called them today to see about purging red grease from our brakes but the service fellow I talked to didn't recall working on a motorhome and said they have only started working on Meritor air disk brakes on trucks recently... If this is the right place I'll call back and try for a different fellow.Background - I had the oil changed in Kalispell; I had asked for NO chassis lubrication but found the tech busily greasing before I stopped him; I thought I had stopped him before he got to the brakes.A few weeks (300 miles) later I was going to have RnR in Liberty Lake, WA, inspect and lube the brakes but once the coach was up on the hoist they informed me that all 4 brakes had red grease on the nipples and it would be a 10 hour job to take all the calipers apart, purge the grease and check to see if new parts were required ($2600 was the worst case estimate for parts if all new parts required – which they doubted). He did say the brake pads looked good.The RnR tech has been working on Foretravel chassis for some years and seemed to know his stuff (although didn't know about Meritor helper springs).With a $1000+ cost estimate, I thought I'd do some more research first. I've been looking at FF posts and the Meritor website trying to learn a bit more about brakes and what is required to get rid of the dreaded red grease. It seems from FF posts that the red grease can be forced out with the proper grease and, as long as excess grease is purged, all can be good. Now it's to find someone to do it properly... (the coach is back in Kalispell until we head south in September).Mobil 28 grease is RED and appropriate for the calipers. Good luck, Quote Selected 4 Likes
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #38 – August 27, 2015, 10:00:54 pm I did not look into Mobil 28 Red. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #39 – August 27, 2015, 10:07:30 pm Quote from: Rick – August 27, 2015, 09:47:08 pmMobil 28 grease is RED and appropriate for the calipers. Good luck,Thanks Rick. I called the shop that did the oil change. They confirmed they had used a grade 2 grease. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #40 – August 27, 2015, 10:34:37 pm Quote from: Rick – April 20, 2014, 03:48:14 pmMobil 28 is a clay based synthetic and I used it for my brakes. It is a bright red color. It is also readily availibleGooglehttp://www.exxonmobil.com/Belgium-English/Aviation/PDS/GLXXENAVIEMMobilgrease_28.aspxGood luck,RickThe same thing I use. I did talk to Meritor a while back about caliper grease. While they did not come right out and say it, he indicated that synthetic grease is fine as long as the temp specs are the same. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #41 – August 28, 2015, 12:34:59 am Just as important, maybe more so, is the purging of excess grease from the caliper. If all excess grease is not purged the calipers will hydro lock. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #42 – August 28, 2015, 01:12:12 am The shop manual I think shows a bleed valve that needs to be open when filling with grease.Plus retract the pads in the process? Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #43 – August 28, 2015, 02:13:34 am Quote from: Caflashbob – August 28, 2015, 01:12:12 amThe shop manual I think shows a bleed valve that needs to be open when filling with grease.Plus retract the pads in the process?I remove the top grease fitting/plug, and cycle the caliper pistons all the way in, then back out. Then replace the fitting. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #44 – August 28, 2015, 09:42:29 am Have you guys ever looked at the calipers? They have a spring loaded bleed valve that bleeds all the grease out when retracted. Well, at least mine does. Maybe older years don't. This is approaching old wive's tale. It's not that complicated. I greased my rears, then turned parking brake off...it squirted all the extra out. Cycled it a few more times and more came out. 20,000 miles later, no problems. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #45 – August 28, 2015, 11:05:50 am It is inconvenient and a little scary when a tech lubes your calipers with the wrong stuff especially when told not to and you find out later. If NLGI Grade 2 is used (normal chassis lube) your brakes will not give out unless you are driving in extreme heat or cold. From Mobil's web site showing charismatics of different NLGI Grades. http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENGRSMOMobilux_EP.aspxOperating Range for Grade 1 is: -40 C (- 40 F) to 150 C (302 F)Operating range for Grade 2 is: –30 to +110 °C (–20 to +230 °FThe viscosity is also thinner in Grade 1 than 2. Grade 1 is like tomato paste and Grade 2 is more like peanut butter.No wives tale - We have done what others have suggested - We put Zip Ties around the Zerk fittings and always advise the Service Writer and the Tech about them. No mystery - Just must be aware and act accordingly. Many have had the wrong lube applied and no disasters yet. Follow Meritor's instructions for purging. http://www.beamalarm.com/foretravel-links/PDF/brakes-maintenance-manual-mm4m.pdf See page 50.When this happened to us I took the above Meritor Maintenance Manual with us to the Truck Service Center to make sure they understood the procedure. Not rocket science. :-D Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #46 – August 29, 2015, 08:54:05 am As has happened to others, even after explicit instructions, I ended up with chassis lube in the brakes. Foretravel simply relubed the with the clay based stuff. No disassembly. jor Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #47 – August 29, 2015, 10:13:27 am That's what we did too. Relube to purge the Grade 2 out. Nothing else. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #48 – August 11, 2017, 12:02:07 am Re greasing u joints, always grease BOTH grease nipple in a u joint, after wiping any dirt, dust off the fitting...that is the standard procedure in the trucking industry. Quote Selected
Re: Meritor brakes and wrong lube. Reply #49 – August 11, 2017, 10:41:39 am Quote from: Dudley – August 11, 2017, 12:02:07 amRe greasing u joints, always grease BOTH grease nipple in a u joint, after wiping any dirt, dust off the fitting...that is the standard procedure in the trucking industry.Not sure I understand, since both grease nipples/channels lead to exactly the same center section of the U joint. As long as clean grease comes out all 4 grease cups, don't see why it would make a difference. Quote Selected 4 Likes