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Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #25
Just get her in every FT you can find, all lengths. They are all big, but you will make a better long term decision if keep an open mind until you have been in a number of coaches of all lengths
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #26
Good advice. Thanks. I also think I need to get her to watch every Foretravel video I can find on YouTube, although she has already said she is sick of hearing the same eight bars of music over and over every time I play a video from MOT. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #27
Look at a 2004 36' U270. They have one slide. They have a lot of the features that the earlier U320 and U295's had. They have the consolidated electrical/electronics bay, bus basement doors, batteries in easily accessible bays, powered shore power/water reels, Villa furniture, etc. We love ours.
Larry and Terry
Ex 2004 U270 36'

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #28
Just get her in every FT you can find, all lengths. They are all big, but you will make a better long term decision if keep an open mind until you have been in a number of coaches of all lengths

I definitely agree with Tim.  When we were shopping in 2003/2004, we had an idea in our minds of what we wanted.  After seeing coaches in person, some things changed.  And then the unexpected coach showed up for sale and the rest is history.

10+ years later we haven't seen another coach that suits us as well as the one we bought (which had different wood and a different bath layout and was longer that we were originally looking for ;) )  With our latest remodeling, we'll probably have it another 10+ years or more since it's even more "us".
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #29
A little different twist,  my brother sold foretravel MHs at the factory location in Nacogdoches, Texas. He sold for them during the late 80s and late 90s.  Some of you may have brought a MH from him.  I remember when he told me about a morning meeting where he suggested that FOT should put a slide in a motorhome.  He was mad when he told me at lunch because everyone told him that it would not work and FOT would not do that.  I love my 95 U240 with not slides.  Lot less to worry about at setup and gettin ready too leave.  No worry in tight spaces either.  I have had mine for 7+ yrs, 80k miles to start, 126k now with no running gear problems, three(3) blowouts(newbie problem), cooling unit for Refig.(running unlevel in walmart parking lot).  I get 10mpg towing or not, 2 gts oil per tank of fuel.  I just got back from Galveston, Texas where 2 people just as I drove in came up and complemented me on my 95 U240 and how good it looked and sounded.
Pat/Blue Angel
1995 U240 36ft
MC# 16511
Build# 4653

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #30
Some good advice and comments from everyone here. A member not too far from us has an FT. If we can work things out, I may bring my wife to take a look. Because we are both still "working stiffs," seeing a large number of coaches other that what the various local dealers have on their lots  will be tough. Thanks again to everyone for their suggestions and advice. It is much appreciated.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #31
We stumbled upon and bought one of the few 38' Foretravels with one slide and no tag axle, a U295.  The interior feels like a 40' Foretravel, same living room, same pantry across from the refrigerator, same gigantic bathroom. Only thing missing I can see is the second pantry next to the refrigerator. Not having a bedroom slide, we have windows on both sides of the bed. Not having a tag axle, the bay storage is about the same as a 40' with tag. And the 2003's are especially nice looking with no visible seams on the end caps.

Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
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Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #32
We stumbled upon and bought one of the few 38' Foretravels with one slide and no tag axle, a U295.  The interior feels like a 40' Foretravel, same living room, same pantry across from the refrigerator, same gigantic bathroom. Only thing missing I can see is the second pantry next to the refrigerator. Not having a bedroom slide, we have windows on both sides of the bed. Not having a tag axle, the bay storage is about the same as a 40' with tag. And the 2003's are especially nice looking with no visible seams on the end caps.
Sounds like a great coach. Guess I'd better keep my eyes open. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #33
Walt,

Before you buy anything, especially a SOB, try to get to Nacogdoches ("Meccadoches") TX and visit MOT to see there inventory as well as FT' inventory of used coaches (MOT will have SOB's too now). Â Spend a couple of days there and make sure you take a factory tour. (BTW - you could probably trade your 5'ver in at MOT and maybe FT, not sure).

If you go through Houston and rent a car, the drive isn't to bad from the airport. Â Either leaving or coming back to Houston, you can also stop by PPL motorhomes - they do strictly consignment - all brands, often a few FT's there as well.

Good luck in the hunt!
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #34
Walt,

Before you buy anything, especially a SOB, try to get to Nacogdoches ("Meccadoches") TX and visit MOT to see there inventory as well as FT' inventory of used coaches (MOT will have SOB's too now). Â Spend a couple of days there and make sure you take a factory tour. (BTW - you could probably trade your 5'ver in at MOT and maybe FT, not sure).

If you go through Houston and rent a car, the drive isn't to bad from the airport. Â Either leaving or coming back to Houston, you can also stop by PPL motorhomes - they do strictly consignment - all brands, often a few FT's there as well.

Good luck in the hunt!
Thanks. I do look at both FOT and MOT listings, almost daily (even though we can't yet pull the trigger on anything - I must be a glutton for punishment), and I do check PPL Motorhomes' website a few times a week.

The ability to consider a coach further way is one thing that does worry me a bit. Since we both still work full-time, I envision it as being hard to get away to see any coach halfway across the country. So far, I'm also not impressed with what is on offer closer to home. How do people manage that aspect of buying? Seems like someone would need to have their mind pretty well made up to buy the coach before making the trip. I guess I still have some time to work that one out.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #35
You may have to invest some time and $$$ to bag a FT. Think of it as part of the adventure and embrace it. FT quality of product and owners means most all of the used stuff out there is sound and had good maintenance. Develop a phone relationship with a sales professional at both MOT an FT. Discuss the coaches you like from there listings and you can develop a relationship. Almost all coaches are sold at a distance, with a fully refundable deposit based on inspection and test drive. I live in Chicago and bought two from MOT while sitting in Chicago.
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #36
Interesting theory about compressing the luan to show the steel framing structure... I have a different theory though. Here are some pictures of a plug that I cut out of the side of our coach (99' U270). You can see the layers. It is as Bob says a vacumm laminated construction. Looking from left to right; thin layer of gel coat, laid up fiberglass (about an eighth inch), half inch of some sturdy brown foam insulation of unknown (to me) composition, one inch of the usual blue rigid styrofoam insulation, a 1/16" of fiberglass sheet material (such as lines the basement and compartment walls) and finally, the ¼" luan. There was some vinyl wall paper covering the luan, but I peeled it off. I expected this plug to delaminate just from taking it out of the hole saw. I was not particularly gentle in prying it out. Once out it was set aside and left outside for several days. After finishing the washer/dryer install, I picked it up and tried to twist it apart like an oreo cookie. No dice! I sanded the edge of it with a belt sander and it still felt solid... I decided it was a nice testimony to the quality of construction of our coaches. One day while I was gluing new insulation into the basement framing while doing my bulkhead repairs, I had some extra epoxy so I coated the exposed edges just for the heck of it. Long story short, it is a very sturdy piece and I doubt that the vacuum bag crushed or compressed the luan, which is only on the inside wall layer. The outer layer of gel coat and laid up fiberglass (I asked Rance at Xtreme about this layer...) is very strong and in my opinion, certainly virtually incompressible via vacuum bagging. I can stand on the plug and it feels as solid as a chunk of solid wood. No, I think that the metal structure (steel in the side walls and aluminum in the roof) visibly telegraphs when moisture condenses on it, usually early in the morning or at night when the dew point of the metal is reached before the interstitial space between it. At least I can only see the structure clearly at these times, or on the roof when dirt sticks to the moisture and leaves a residue behind.
Just my opinion... though I completely concur with gist of your post Bob, Foretravel is definitely the steak, and for my taste, just the right amount of sizzle ^.^d
A note about the picture with the magnet... The side wall structure has some horizontal members in it as well as diagonals. The magnet is sticking to one of the horizontal members in the closet area from underneath. I used magnets on the inside and out to try and locate the dryer vent hole. It was nerve wracking to drill this giant hole in my sidewall, so I was gratified to miss the structure, even though I needed to be as high and close to it as I could get. As you can see by the fact that the magnet sticks there, yet in the picture without it, the steel frame is not showing at all... whew!
Don
...I can see the steel framing outlines easily on my side walls.  The vacuum table presses hard enough to squish the luan layer the others do not have and probably the foam itself a bit.

...Most brands used to have a sample sidewall and roof piece to show customers.  Almost anything looks ok.
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Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #37
You may have to invest some time and $$$ to bag a FT. Think of it as part of the adventure and embrace it. FT quality of product and owners means most all of the used stuff out there is sound and had good maintenance. Develop a phone relationship with a sales professional at both MOT an FT. Discuss the coaches you like from there listings and you can develop a relationship. Almost all coaches are sold at a distance, with a fully refundable deposit based on inspection and test drive. I live in Chicago and bought two from MOT while sitting in Chicago.
Good suggestions. I have already planted the seed in my wife's mind regarding the possibility/likelihood that whatever coach we buy will not be found locally and that we will likely have to look further afield to find what we want. I'll have to work on stretching her geographical search area to include Texas. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #38
Walt when I was looking at Foretravels, my wife was not yet on board. I took her on a long weekend to Galveston for a getaway. While we were there I convinced her to take a drive north to see a few Foretravels. She agreed BUT we were only looking! Well we went to MOT and FOT and found Our coach. Now we had seen enough of SOB so we knew. If you have been looking you will know when you first step in. We were not ready to buy yet but bought it( actually I said not yet she said yes,yes,yes.) and have not regretted it. It is our perfect for us coach.
Tom & Patty
Build# 5832
2001 U295  36'
Motorcader # 17240

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #39
Don, I believe you are spot on.

I cannot see any sign on the steel framing on mine except from condensing water where there is no room for insulation.

The blue foam is definitely low density Styrofoam there to provide insulation only. I believe the brown foam is higher density, there for strength and rigidity rather than insulation. This is another example is steak and not sizzle, going the extra mile where one Don with his hole cutter can see it.

When I was looking at the inside surface of the outer wall behind my refrigerator, I saw fiberglass, not luan. And the fiberglass was covered by a layer of flame resistant foam. Compare this with other manufacturers, where the entire refrigerator compartment is luan, which only gets more flammable with age.

Another telling comparison I noticed on a cable TV program was how the steel framing is a continuous cage on Foretravel, but not on the others. There, the wood floor is screwed to the chassis, then the aluminum framed walls are screwed to the wood floor. Wood is the intermediary. Even Airstream trailers are built that way.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #40
Walt when I was looking at Foretravels, my wife was not yet on board. I took her on a long weekend to Galveston for a getaway. While we were there I convinced her to take a drive north to see a few Foretravels. She agreed BUT we were only looking! Well we went to MOT and FOT and found Our coach. Now we had seen enough of SOB so we knew. If you have been looking you will know when you first step in. We were not ready to buy yet but bought it( actually I said not yet she said yes,yes,yes.) and have not regretted it. It is our perfect for us coach.

Same here.

My short list was very short, I wanted semi-monocoque construction, outboard airbags, disk brakes, and retarder. My wife and I just went to kook, not buy. We needed to sell our old sob first.

The best laid plans...

We fell in love and owned two motorcoaches until the old one could be sold.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #41
Walt when I was looking at Foretravels, my wife was not yet on board. I took her on a long weekend to Galveston for a getaway. While we were there I convinced her to take a drive north to see a few Foretravels. She agreed BUT we were only looking! Well we went to MOT and FOT and found Our coach. Now we had seen enough of SOB so we knew. If you have been looking you will know when you first step in. We were not ready to buy yet but bought it( actually I said not yet she said yes,yes,yes.) and have not regretted it. It is our perfect for us coach.
Well, my wife does have family in Alabama. Next time we can visit, perhaps a side trip will be in order. :D
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #42
Same here.

My short list was very short, I wanted semi-monocoque construction, outboard airbags, disk brakes, and retarder. My wife and I just went to kook, not buy. We needed to sell our old sob first.

The best laid plans...

We fell in love and owned two motorcoaches until the old one could be sold.
So far, we have mostly been looking at floor plans to see what works and what doesn't and what we can make work with some minor modification. Not being all that mechanically inclined (to date, at least) I know enough to know what I don't know. That's why I've been reading forums here, there, and everywhere to learn what I can about the brands we have been considering. That's how I learned about the so-called "big three" issues with Tiffin motorhomes in the model year range we would be considering. It's also how I learned about the quality control concerns some Winnebago owners are expressing these days.

I've learned quite a bit (I think) reading through the various posts here, especially about the apparent special relationships owners have with their Foretravel coaches. I appreciate all of the comments, suggestions, and advice I have so far received.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Comparisons

Reply #43
So far, we have mostly been looking at floor plans to see what works and what doesn't and what we can make work with some minor modification. Not being all that mechanically inclined (to date, at least) I know enough to know what I don't know. That's why I've been reading forums here, there, and everywhere to learn what I can about the brands we have been considering. That's how I learned about the so-called "big three" issues with Tiffin motorhomes in the model year range we would be considering. It's also how I learned about the quality control concerns some Winnebago owners are expressing these days.

I've learned quite a bit (I think) reading through the various posts here, especially about the apparent special relationships owners have with their Foretravel coaches. I appreciate all of the comments, suggestions, and advice I have so far received.

I cannot say enough to convince  future rv'ers to disregard the normal choices you would think are necessary and concentrate on the coaches actual construction. 

Almost ever member here has had multiple rv's. 

Most here would agree that a lot of SOB's have prettier fabrics, trick floor plans, even prettier cabinets.  That's what sells the newby's

The idea I bought a 17 year old coach with known needed work(by me, not the previous owners btw)was based on 20 years Rv sales management experience.

Yes all the other brands structure tend to long term ownership issues.

Ever customer driving the SOB's versus a Foretravel noticed the no squeeks and rattles.

Old Country coach and beavers were very tight also.

Foretravels have insulated floors and in a unihome or unicoach the bottom of the compartments and the dividers themselves are foam insulated vacuum bonded assemblies.

That's why the bolts are visible under the coach.  The sub assemblies are bolted not screwed together.
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Re: Comparisons

Reply #44
I cannot say enough to convince  future rv'ers to disregard the normal choices you would think are necessary and concentrate on the coaches actual construction. 

Almost ever member here has had multiple rv's. 

Most here would agree that a lot of SOB's have prettier fabrics, trick floor plans, even prettier cabinets.  That's what sells the newby's

The idea I bought a 17 year old coach with known needed work(by me, not the previous owners btw)was based on 20 years Rv sales management experience.

Yes all the other brands structure tend to long term ownership issues.

Ever customer driving the SOB's versus a Foretravel noticed the no squeeks and rattles.

Old Country coach and beavers were very tight also.

Foretravels have insulated floors and in a unihome or unicoach the bottom of the compartments and the dividers themselves are foam insulated vacuum bonded assemblies.

That's why the bolts are visible under the coach.  The sub assemblies are bolted not screwed together.
I certainly don't dispute the importance of anything you've said. However, the floor plan has to be something we can live with or modify to our satisfaction or the coach won't get purchased or used. Neither my wife nor I need a coach to be flashy, simply liveable. My wife, an industrial engineer by training, has worked in industry and has a pretty good eye for quality construction, but she also knows what needs for a coach to be liveable.

Because of my relative lack of mechanical expertise and ability, I do want a coach that is well-built, and I'm sure my wife agrees. However, since we will also be looking at it as a future home, those things do have to be taken into consideration. having said that, though, neither of us is big into frills or fancy designs. Simple lines suit us pretty well, and I have seen a number of Foretravel floor plans I could be happy living in.

Thanks for sharing your experience and expertise. It is appreciated.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #45
... having said that, though, neither of us is big into frills or fancy designs.
Along that line, I saw a Prevost in the park the other day...could have been a mobile bordello with all the glitsy lights Marathon added and they had lit up.
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Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #46
Along that line, I saw a Prevost in the park the other day...could have been a mobile bordello with all the glitsy lights Marathon added and they had lit up.
That is one of the things that is drawing me to Foretravel - clean, simple lines, inside and out, especially in the mid and late 1990 models.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #47
Walt, too bad I did not see you were in ID. I was just in ID and went down to Yellowstone.  There were a number of FTs there in fact.  I know of at least five coaches. There are coaches up in the PNW too.  I would take the side trip if you can.
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Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #48
Walt, too bad I did not see you were in ID. I was just in ID and went down to Yellowstone.  There were a number of FTs there in fact.  I know of at least five coaches. There are coaches up in the PNW too.  I would take the side trip if you can.
I know of one not too far from where I live. The owner, a member of this forum, has kindly offered to let me take a look at his 1991 FT. I'll be doing that tomorrow, and I'm looking forward to see a Foreteravel in person.

Once I can work Foretravel a bit more into the conversation at home about prospective coach brands to consider, we may start looking for side trips to take. I know there was a coach for sale in Kennewick, WA, but I since we aren't yet ready to buy, I haven't suggested that trip. I also think it's a little older than I can convince DW to go.

As a side note, I have to say how much I'm enjoying the conversation (and other conversations) on this forum. It has to be one of the friendliest, most approachable forums I've ever been a part of. Thanks for that.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: A Little Foretravel History?

Reply #49
Walt  ----  We will be traveling thru Boise after labor day and would be happy to show you what our 91GV is like and discuss any issues that you are concerned about.  If interested, send a PM and we'll make arrangements.  Thanks and have a great day  ----  Fritz
Fritz & Kathy Johnson
1991 36'