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Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #25
Hi Kent...please see comments below.

One thing easily overlooked is that you lose storage when you have slides, a tag axle and an aqua hot. The older coaches without slides hold the most cargo. Everyone has their needs or desires but from our experience the reliability of a coach without slides and Aquahot outweighs the convenience of having them.

You are no doubt correct in the loss of space. As long as I have been studying full-timing including what rig to do it in, the one constant has been that full-timing is full of compromises. No matter what we end up buying it is going to be a huge compromise from our current 4000 sq ft, 3 car garage, pool, garden, etc. I also doubt we will get it exactly right on whatever coach we buy but we have both pretty much agreed that we'll make the best decision we can and then live with it...there will be no longing for some other coach or wishing we went with a fiver instead of a DP or vice versa.

Regarding exit strategy, when we sold our big house we never intended having another hosue. But two years later found the perfect little cabin in the woods so we bought it for part time use and for when our health limits our ability to travel. When we sold the big house we gave away tons of stuff but I am very glad we kept at least some of the basics and my tools in storage. That saved us from having to purchase a lot of new things to replace the things we had just given away. Life changes very rapidly so hedge your bets a little bit.

We probably talk about this more than anything and has led us to occasionally discuss buying a small place with an RVport so that we can have the semblance of a base and also keep some of our stuff. The verdict is still out on this but we would kind of prefer to be unencumbered from property taxes, upkeep on both an RV and a residence, etc. our daughter on the other hand loves the idea.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #26
Hi Larry and Jan, and ditto on all the welcoming comments above.  We are very near you and would be happy to show you our coach sometime if you'd like to see one locally. Just shoot me a PM if you're interested.
1996 U295 36' WTBI

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #27
Jeff and I sold our big house (3000+) and moved into a 300(+/-) '95 with one slide.  Huge bays and no slide.  the items from the house that I just couldn't bear to part with went into climate controlled storage.  I sorted, shifted and tested all the stuff we took with us in the beginning. Once a year we went back to PA to the storage unit and I traded stuff ... purses, kitchen items, etc ... until I got the basics sorted out.  I had taken a LOT of things that I never touched.  I began leaving more and more in the unit.  We went into this '02 coach because I was unhappy with some things about the '95 that I couldn't change with remodeling ... ducted AC, no screen door ... and the '02 happened to come with a slide.  Now that we have lived with a slide, a tag and an Aquahot, we are hugely happy.  We continued to full time and did not feel the need to revisit the storage unit for more than a cursory look when we happened to be in PA visiting grandchildren for another 2 -3 years.  You do NOT need as much as you think.  My criteria is ... How easily can I get this item at a Walmart?  Does it actually pay me to take it along?  I have 2 sets of sheets (one on and one ready to use), nothing in the way of dressy clothes, a few "office supplies" so we can attend to our bills online, my art supplies, Jeff's few tools, our outdoor living room furniture and a small grill.  we used to carry a patio rug ... but we tossed it.  We carried Jeff's "floaty boat" around via a roof rack on the Jeep for the frame and the inflatable pontoons in a big duffel.  Your tow car is your "garage".  We had more than enough room to carry plenty of stuff that we never used.  In the kitchen I have an electric fry pan, a small rice cooker, a blender, a mini-chopper and a toaster.  I have a few pots and pans, but rarely use them. We did just add a small propane burner for use outside. It is nice for boiling corn or cooking bacon.  You do not need as much stuff as you think you do ... and if it something you can find at Costco or Walmart ... leave it!!
Carol & Jeff Savournin
Usta have a '93 U225 36', Usta have a '95 U320 40', Usta have a '02 U320 40'
Usta have a 2006 Born Free, Usta have a 2011 Phoenix Cruiser
Usta have a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4dr
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life."  Steve Jobs

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #28
Carol, that's almost how we're doing it. We have the advantage of being able to park the coach literally right outside the front door of the S&B, so when we started moving into the coach we just took a few things out, put them away, and went on with life. Eventually we got enough out here that we started sleeping in the coach. By the time for the auction (early April) we were living in the coach and had everything we wanted/needed here. We actually had several boxes of stuff that we needed to go through yet, so the Jeep was pretty well packed with stuff for the weekend of the auction. None of that stuff was anything that would be sold - it was destined for the burn pile or keep in the coach. We, too, have two sets of bedding so that we don't have to remake the bed immediately after returning from the laundromat. That also gives us something for a guest to use should that happen (has happened twice now).

Everything sold at the auction (except the house) but not everything went away. Jo Ann rescued a couple things that happened to be left. As we were loading the car to take stuff to the church's garage sale she noticed a pie dish and thought she hadn't kept one, so we pulled it out. After I washed it she decided that she HAD kept one, so it will go to church the next trip. Funny how you think you need something and then decide you don't need it.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #29
At FOT we prefer dealing with Tyle Fore and at MOT we prefer Mel Cordray.  Not that the other folks aren't good at what they do, but Tyle and Mel have always been happy to answer questions and never once seemed like we were bothering them (unlike one of the other guys at FOT who once asked if we were "visiting our parents or just kicking tires?" ::)  )

Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the contacts...we hope to be able to make a trip soon but may preempt that with a few phone calls...still early in the game for us though so will be taking things at a slow bell.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #30
Another welcome, Larry and Jan! It sounds to me like you are on the right track. Once we figured out that, no matter what sort of coach we picked for our full-time coach, something would tow something else we realized that the 5'er we had thought would be right wasn't, and the MH we thought was too expensive to drive was actually cheaper. Generally, a MH is a better choice for people who move frequently, and a towable is a better choice for those who stay put for long periods of time.

Take a look a Foretravel Specifications, Floor Plans, Photos & Brochures by Year for lots of good information. Since there are only so many ways to arrange the interior of a box into living space you can get ideas for floor plans that will work for you by looking at any MH - even one that is a refugee from a junk yard. If the plan seems to work for you check the above site to find the Foretravel that has a similar plan. Remember that different manufacturers may use different standards, so don't assume that all counters are the same height, for example. A common plan has a couch on one side and chairs on the other. It usually doesn't matter which is on which side, but if you find that you have a preference you will know what to look for.

Since you are in the Houston area you can spend a couple of hours at PPL for the floor plan searching. Then on to Nac and look at the Foretravels. FOT generally has the newer coaches and MOT the older ones, but once you have a good idea of what you want you should let both places know and they will watch for you. Also let this group know, as sometimes someone is thinking about trading but hasn't advertised their coach yet.

Enjoy the research and the hunt.

Hi David,

Thanks for the link to the Foretravel information...that should come in very handy when I get a chance to start reviewing it.

I very much wanted to tow either a New Horizons or a Continental fiver with a Volvo. Those two brands of fifth wheels are full-time rated and are top notch in quality rivaling DPs at least at the level of the luxury line of Newmar and maybe higher (all electric, hydronic heating, handcrafted cabinetry, granite, etc.).The Volvo 780 would have no problem towing a 45' trailer as well as loading a Smart Car onto a custom made bed. What really got me to reconsider going with a fiver and to start looking at DPs was the frequent threads on Escapees describing having problems getting the Volvo insured (or insured for a year and the company decided they didn't like insuring HDTs so they got dropped), constant questions about the type of license you need to drive one (in "general", drop an axle and don't use it for commercial reasons and you won't need a CDL), registration, etc. There were plenty of people doing it who said they never had a problem but still, I read about far more of these administrative issues with an HDT then I have with owning a DP.

Probably more than what folks wanted to hear on a Foretravel site but several people have mentioned that they had been interested in fifth-wheels so I thought I would give a little snap shot of how we went from wanting a fiver for about 9 years to wanting a DP for a little less than a year.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #31
Larry & Jan - Welcome,

I'm a "newbie," basically in your shoes, since we plan to purchase a used FT late next year.  However, I've never contemplated a 5ver, since we've owned Class Cs in the past and simply enjoyed the experience more.  Also, a DP fits what we intend to do in our travels across our great country.  We looked at Newmar, Entegra, and Tiffin and I've done the factory tours.  However, what interests me are the amount of FT still on the road that are early '90s.  That speaks a lot for the durability of a product which, by it's name, is for Recreation.  Although, like you and a number on this site, we'll full-time for awhile (anywhere from 1-5 years), with an exit plan likely in Nashville (daughter is there and, as many know, a great State for Retirement).

Certainly keep us (me) updated on your research and what you find at FOT & MOT since I'll be right behind you.  It is appealing to buy a solid $100K coach and put $50K to reno it, as needed, to make it your own.  Like you, I'm asking lots of questions ...

Plenty of Vets here, but sorry, former Army here, although I've been with the "G" since leaving the Army in '87 and will retire the end of next year to hit the road.

Cheers,
Tim


Hi Tim,

First...thank you for your continued service!

You make a very solid point about the number of FTs still on the road...this is something that I am beginning to realize from everything I have read. This also left a definite impression on my wife when I told her about your comment.

We still want to make sure we do due diligence in selecting a DP but it looks like the scales are quickly tipping towards the side of Foretravel...the fact that it is a Texas company just a few hours up the road, they are still in business and have such a loyal following makes it a pretty easy decision.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #32
Hi Larry and Jan, and ditto on all the welcoming comments above.  We are very near you and would be happy to show you our coach sometime if you'd like to see one locally. Just shoot me a PM if you're interested.

Wow...you are close! Thanks for the offer and I will PM you shortly.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #33
Larry & Jan,

Welcome to the best RV forum ever (I belong to three others). We are also searching for a FT, waiting for our ideal coach so that we can begin fulltiming. Good luck with your research.
Royce & Denise, MC #17410
'01 U320 4220 ISM450 Build #5895 SOLD
Toad: '10 Honda CR-V

Travel makes one modest. You see what a tiny place you occupy in the world. - Gustave Flaubert

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #34
Larry & Jan,

Welcome to the best RV forum ever (I belong to three others). We are also searching for a FT, waiting for our ideal coach so that we can begin fulltiming. Good luck with your research.

Thank you...good luck in your research (and search) as well. I have posted on Escapees since 2004 and more recently on IRV2 and the Country Coach yahoo group. I thought the Country Coach people were very welcoming (and they are) but the Foretravel bunch, if my first thread is any indication, takes it to a whole different level.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #35
As is the case with Lazy Daze motor homes (Class C) and Fortravels, the folks who own them are more like a cult than a forum :-)

And this is a good thing. As you've already discovered ...

best, paul
1999 U320 40' 1200 watts on roof. 12cf AC/DC Cold plate fridge/freezer. VMS 240 CL Honda Element

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #36
Jeff and I sold our big house (3000+) and moved into a 300(+/-) '95 with one slide.  Huge bays and no slide.  the items from the house that I just couldn't bear to part with went into climate controlled storage.  I sorted, shifted and tested all the stuff we took with us in the beginning. Once a year we went back to PA to the storage unit and I traded stuff ... purses, kitchen items, etc ... until I got the basics sorted out.  I had taken a LOT of things that I never touched.  I began leaving more and more in the unit.  We went into this '02 coach because I was unhappy with some things about the '95 that I couldn't change with remodeling ... ducted AC, no screen door ... and the '02 happened to come with a slide.  Now that we have lived with a slide, a tag and an Aquahot, we are hugely happy.  We continued to full time and did not feel the need to revisit the storage unit for more than a cursory look when we happened to be in PA visiting grandchildren for another 2 -3 years.  You do NOT need as much as you think.  My criteria is ... How easily can I get this item at a Walmart?  Does it actually pay me to take it along?  I have 2 sets of sheets (one on and one ready to use), nothing in the way of dressy clothes, a few "office supplies" so we can attend to our bills online, my art supplies, Jeff's few tools, our outdoor living room furniture and a small grill.  we used to carry a patio rug ... but we tossed it.  We carried Jeff's "floaty boat" around via a roof rack on the Jeep for the frame and the inflatable pontoons in a big duffel.  Your tow car is your "garage".  We had more than enough room to carry plenty of stuff that we never used.  In the kitchen I have an electric fry pan, a small rice cooker, a blender, a mini-chopper and a toaster.  I have a few pots and pans, but rarely use them. We did just add a small propane burner for use outside. It is nice for boiling corn or cooking bacon.  You do not need as much stuff as you think you do ... and if it something you can find at Costco or Walmart ... leave it!!

Thanks for the great information. I can with no doubt say that, although we have changed from wanting a 5th wheel to a DP, we have not changed our minds as to wanting slides. We are not fully convinced that we need to go all out and get quad slides but two or three will be in anything we purchase. We will try to strike some type of balance between interior space, storage, outfitting, price, etc. and hopefully we will come close to getting it right but I am resigned to the fact that no matter how much research we do, until we live it we are only, at best, guessing.

As mentioned earlier, we have been researching and dreaming about full-timing since I first came across the Escapees website in 2004. We have read many, many posts about selling homes, not selling homes, down-sizing, storage facility, no-storage facility, buying a pole barn with full hook-ups, retire early (why wait), work a year or two longer to better prime the retirement pump, you'll love full-timing, it wasn't what we thought it would be and we are leaving the road after X months, etc., etc. I still continue to read all of these posts (and threads) because in just about every single one of them I read something that strikes a cord. One of the things that resonated from your post was the "...can I get this item at a Walmart" comment. There are a lot of space eaters that, as you rightly mention, if you need it bad enough you will figure it out in due time and you can head to your closest Walmart and pick it up. Your comment reminds me of a post I read on someone's full-timing blog that said to never buy anything at Camping World et al until you are on the road full-timing and you discover a definitive need for an item and have id'd the place where you plan to store it...makes a lot of sense to me.

This will get more fun (and more hectic) now that my wife and I are getting very close to decision time instead of just dreaming about something that is still many years in the future.
 
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #37
As is the case with Lazy Daze motor homes (Class C) and Fortravels, the folks who own them are more like a cult than a forum :-)

And this is a good thing. As you've already discovered ...

best, paul

Funny you say that...I specifically used the word "cult" this evening (in a positive way) when talking to my wife over margaritas about how the Foretravel crowd reminded me of the recumbent bike crowd that I am a member of. So far it has seemed to be far from blind advocacy but a true belief in the product (very important when considering the investment (term used very loosely) being made.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #38
Thanks for the great information. I can with no doubt say that, although we have changed from wanting a 5th wheel to a DP, we have not changed our minds as to wanting slides. We are not fully convinced that we need to go all out and get quad slides but two or three will be in anything we purchase. We will try to strike some type of balance between interior space, storage, outfitting, price, etc. and hopefully we will come close to getting it right but I am resigned to the fact that no matter how much research we do, until we live it we are only, at best, guessing.

As mentioned earlier, we have been researching and dreaming about full-timing since I first came across the Escapees website in 2004. We have read many, many posts about selling homes, not selling homes, down-sizing, storage facility, no-storage facility, buying a pole barn with full hook-ups, retire early (why wait), work a year or two longer to better prime the retirement pump, you'll love full-timing, it wasn't what we thought it would be and we are leaving the road after X months, etc., etc. I still continue to read all of these posts (and threads) because in just about every single one of them I read something that strikes a cord. One of the things that resonated from your post was the "...can I get this item at a Walmart" comment. There are a lot of space eaters that, as you rightly mention, if you need it bad enough you will figure it out in due time and you can head to your closest Walmart and pick it up. Your comment reminds me of a post I read on someone's full-timing blog that said to never buy anything at Camping World et al until you are on the road full-timing and you discover a definitive need for an item and have id'd the place where you plan to store it...makes a lot of sense to me.

This will get more fun (and more hectic) now that my wife and I are getting very close to decision time instead of just dreaming about something that is still many years in the future.

Almost universally multi time repeat buyers invariable  questions are about the strength of the box and the actual long term build quality.

A very good judge of the ,to me , necessary quality is to walk the roof.  Lots of rv's have no roof ladders.  Why?  You won't like the coach if you walk up there.

Country coach's roof walks well. 

Hard to build a laminated wall fiberglass skin steel framed fifth wheel with insulated floors and compartment floors.  Too heavy.

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #39
Hey Bob etc, Michelle asked us not to use long quotes from other members in our posts, and I forget the reason why, but they are the Bosses on this Forum.
Sorry
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #40
Very good points Kent...thanks! The more I read about those that have done major rehabs of their FTs the more interested I become. I do know the one big concern for my wife is space. She wants a very nice looking coach but she is not too terrible concerned about glitz and glamour but she does want a decent amount of square footage (read slides) and storage. Somewhere in there may be a compromise between a more affordable, older coach that we can customize to fit us and that has an adequate amount of HP and space/storage.
I may be less than completely subjective as our new to us 280 is 19 years old with an 8.3 cummins. Having said that , the HP of older coaches is really a non issue when it comes to power to weight and overall towing/hill climbing. Even a fully loaded 2004 with four slides and aquahot system isn't going to seem underpowered compared to a 2010 with 550 plus horsepower. The jump from 40 or 42 foot to 45 foot adds a tremendous amount of additional weight . The 10 year old coaches are an awesome bargain in terms of features and the m11 cummins is an absolute brute with an almost bullet proof transmission.
 Definately feel you are on the right track looking at Foretravel! We are totally smitten with ours and even the repairs/preventive maintenance are a labor of love.                          Good Luck!
Tom
1998 U320 40'

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Reply #41
The 10 year old coaches are an awesome bargain in terms of features and the m11 cummins is an absolute brute with an almost bullet proof transmission.

Absolutely correct. Our 1995 coach has the 400 hp/1350 lb-ft M11 engine and it performs quite well, even on the 7-percent grades on I-64 in Virginia and West Virginia. For us it is the perfect coach, and we really enjoy it!
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #42
Almost universally multi time repeat buyers invariable  questions are about the strength of the box and the actual long term build quality.

A very good judge of the ,to me , necessary quality is to walk the roof.  Lots of rv's have no roof ladders.  Why?  You won't like the coach if you walk up there.

Country coach's roof walks well. 

Hard to build a laminated wall fiberglass skin steel framed fifth wheel with insulated floors and compartment floors.  Too heavy.

Excellent point regarding walking the roof!

Regarding fifth wheels:

New Horizons has laminated, full aluminum (admittedly not steel), high density closed cell foam insulation in the floors, walls and ceilings including slide floors. The roofs are considered a structural surface and can be walked on without having to step on trusses. A 45' NH is over 20K dry weight and has a GVWR over 28k. The Continental has very similar features and specs. These are not light trailers; they are very substantially built and cannot be easily hauled by your normal F350-450 dually...that is why most of the people full-timing in these luxury rigs are pulling them with HDTs.
Larry & Jan Steinmetz
Friendswood, TX

Ex-Navy / Retired Coast Guard CWO w/ 34 Years Total Service.<p>Goals: 2016 - Sell our house and begin full-timing.  2018 - Retire for good from my job and hit the road.

Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #43
We recently took a grandson to Yosemite, to the valley, then Tunnel View, then over Tioga pass, then back to Sonora via Sonora pass. I told him, "wait 'til you see the 16% grades." Â Ooooooppppssss, actually 26%

I did it via Honda Element, of course.

And yes, our 450hp M11 is a brute! But it will never go near Sonora pass.

best, paul

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Absolutely correct. Our 1995 coach has the 400 hp/1350 lb-ft M11 engine and it performs quite well, even on the 7-percent grades on I-64 in Virginia and West Virginia. For us it is the perfect coach, and we really enjoy it!

"When you arise in the morning, think of

what a precious privilege it is to be alive...

to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love."

~ Marcus Aurelius
1999 U320 40' 1200 watts on roof. 12cf AC/DC Cold plate fridge/freezer. VMS 240 CL Honda Element

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Reply #44
Hey Bob etc, Michelle asked us not to use long quotes from other members in our posts, and I forget the reason why, but they are the Bosses on this Forum.

It stores the same data mulitple times. It's a lot worse on forums with embedded images (like photos in-line) but still... a hard drive is a terrible thing to waste. :P

Craig
1993 U225 36' Unihome GV with PACBRAKE exhaust retarder, Banks Stinger and Solar Panels.
Toad: 1999 Jeep Wrangler 2-door soft-top.

"No one has ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke."

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Reply #45
Absolutely correct. Our 1995 coach has the 400 hp/1350 lb-ft M11 engine and it performs quite well, even on the 7-percent grades on I-64 in Virginia and West Virginia. For us it is the perfect coach, and we really enjoy it!

It's interesting to see what a Banks system will do for hp-to-weight ratios. Our 1993 U225 has about 300hp for 22,500 lbs GVW. Compare that with a new 45-foot coach weighting 45,000 pounds with a 600hp diesel. My U225 cost me about 3 payments on a new 45-footer. :P

Of course, it's the torque-to-weight ratio that really counts...

Craig

"I'm not cheap, dammit... I'm thrifty."
1993 U225 36' Unihome GV with PACBRAKE exhaust retarder, Banks Stinger and Solar Panels.
Toad: 1999 Jeep Wrangler 2-door soft-top.

"No one has ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke."

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Reply #46
It stores the same data mulitple times. It's a lot worse on forums with embedded images (like photos in-line) but still...

It's also viewed as being quite inconsiderate towards your fellow forum members as it makes it difficult to know what part of the quote is being commenting on. 

The idea is that if you want to quote something someone said, snip it down to the relevant information.  Quoting paragraph upon paragraph (or an entire post, unedited) is poor netiquette.  Even worse is doing so and then adding the equivalent of "me, too" or "and one time, at band camp,..." as the only new content.

Moderators do try to go in and edit the quotes down to keep content relevant, but some days it's a fair amount of work to keep up with.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #47
The idea is that if you want to quote something someone said, snip it down to the relevant information.  Quoting paragraph upon paragraph (or an entire post, unedited) is poor netiquette.  Even worse is doing so and then adding the equivalent of "me, too" or "and one time, at band camp,..." as the only new content.
Is there an easy way to include multiple quotes in a post, either multiple quotes from the same person or quotes from more than one person? Barring that, would it be acceptable to include my response within the quote in a different font color so that it is apparent which section I am commenting on at that point? I have seen this done on at least one other forum, which is the only reason it occurred to me.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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Reply #48
Is there an easy way to include multiple quotes in a post, either multiple quotes from the same person or quotes from more than one person?

Yes - if you look below the text box you're typing in, you'll see the previous posts in the topic. 

Place your cursor in your text box where you would like to place the quote, scroll down and click "insert quote" for the post you want to quote, then edit the quoted text down to the important part.  Repeat as needed to quote other posts. 

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If you want to break out pieces of a single quote into multiple ones, just "enclose" each portion in a quote.  Use
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[quote]
for the beginning of the quoted text and
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[/quote]
for the end of it. 

You can also highlight the text to put into the additional quote, then click the little "cartoon bubble" icon above the text editor.

Just always make sure you begin and end a quote with the code pair of
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[quote]
and
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[/quote]

The forum has some handy How-To guides that cover this and other posting questions as well

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Re: New to This Forum and Researching a DP for Full-Timing

Reply #49
Sounds much easier than on other forums. Or maybe I simply haven't quite grasped all of this new-fangled technology yet. :D
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