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Re: Making coffee in the bedroom! (forward electrical sockets, micro & TV all dead)

Reply #25 –
Not yet knowing how the FT is wired...how about the transfer switch in the inverter, assuming that it is a Prosine or similar.

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Reply #26 –
Gee that is a  lot of great info, yes Scott I do have a volt meter, (thank you Gary B) and Pamela & Mike, what a lot of great info there for tackling this problem, all in living color!  I will have a friend or a professional help me with looking at this it as it's a bit more than I feel I can handle on my own.  Dave, thanks for your tip, not sure what's under there, we shall see in the next week or so when I go back over there.  Appreciate you all so much. :)

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Reply #27 –
Roland, thanks for this little tip, I do have a voltmeter (a recent gift from Gary B) & this is the 1st thing I'm gonna check when I get back over there.  Hopefully this is it 'cause this seems to be the easiest solution for the problem, which means it'll likely be something else much more complicated....but it's a good place to start! 

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Reply #28 –
Miz D

Attached is a table (A-2700-03 sheets 1 and 2) from my Black Book depicting  some of the electrical 110 circuits.

Look at the first one - sheet 2/2.  Note: These are the only circuits that the Inverter feeds when on.
The small diagram in the upper right tells us how one of the (potentially) 50 amp  feeding into the house breaker box is distributed.
 o  Circuit  #1 obviously is working because you are getting power to the bedside plugs.
    This suggests to me that the Inverter/Converter is not the problem
    Also that you are getting power to the sub-panel breaker box.

 o  Do any of the outlets in the non-GFI group at the bottom of the circuit #5 list work (the outside or the plugs in the underneath) work?
    You can see from the table which outlets are protected by the GFI and which are not.

 o  Are you sure the breakers for circuits #2 and#5 in the small breaker box under the bed are not tripped?

You'll find/fix it soon.

Elliott & Mary Bray
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Re: Making coffee in the bedroom! (forward electrical sockets, micro & TV all dead)

Reply #29 –
                       ............. Reposted from other topic..............
Miz D

Attached is a table (A-2700-03 sheets 1 and 2) from my Black Book depicting  some of the electrical 110 circuits.

Look at the first one - sheet 2/2.  Note: These are the only circuits that the Inverter feeds when on.
The small diagram in the upper right tells us how one of the (potentially) 50 amp  feeding into the house breaker box is distributed.
 o  Circuit  #1 obviously is working because you are getting power to the bedside plugs.
    This suggests to me that the Inverter/Converter is not the problem
    Also that you are getting power to the sub-panel breaker box.

 o  Do any of the outlets in the non-GFI group at the bottom of the circuit #5 list work (the outside or the plugs in the underneath) work?
    You can see from the table which outlets are protected by the GFI and which are not.

 o  Are you sure the breakers for circuits #2 and#5 in the small breaker box under the bed are not tripped?

You'll find/fix it soon.

Elliott & Mary Bray
ex. 1996 36' U295 - Build 4879
ex. 2018 Coachmen Leprechaun 319MB
 

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Reply #30 –
Elliot, am not in the coach right now, (keep her 70 miles from me) so it's a bit harder to troubleshoot, but thanks for this...great info though....and no, the plugs under the coach don't work either, I've tripped & re-set all the fuses in both boxes under the bed a few times, the GFI plug seems to be dead or not tripping as it shoud, nothing happens when I try.  The weird thing is when I first connected power everything was working then I plugged the computer & phone (in the 'under the table' plug) didn't work then I noticed nothing was working. 

Re: Making coffee in the bedroom! (forward electrical sockets, micro & TV all dead)

Reply #31 –
Hey, just a thought try turning off the breakers all of them, main first then one by one turn them back on. This worked for me in the past ^.^d

I know it shouldn't matter but the DW has done it to save the day, Let it rest a little.
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Reply #32 –
Miz:  When I had my 270 I had the same issue.  I had the GFI switch on the drivers side under the sink in the bath room thrown.  Pushed the button back on and everything worked.  I would start there. DAN
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Reply #33 –
Quote from: Dan J. Stansel –
Miz:  When I had my 270 I had the same issue.  I had the GFI switch on the drivers side under the sink in the bath room thrown.  Pushed the button back on and everything worked.  I would start there. DAN

UNDER the sink???  :o  Holy cow....never looked at it from that angle.

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Reply #34 –
John, Cheryl, you mean all of the breakers at once or one by one?  I have done it one by one but not all at once.

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Reply #35 –
The posts from the 12V question topic that were regarding Dani's 120 Vac issue have all been moved to this thread. 

Carry on ;)
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Reply #36 –
if buttons not working right on GFI - 75% chance things will work when you replace GFI - start there - if intimidated get handyman or electrician to do it for you
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Reply #37 –

Dani,
It sure sounds like you have the original GFCI Breaker in the bathroom outlet (Red = Test, Green = Reset).  At 16 or 17 years of age, I'm with Tim and several others that from all that you have told us, including your initial post, the symptoms point to the GFCI outlet being defective. 


Like Tim, I'd put the probability at 75%, maybe even as high as 95% that the GFCI is your problem.  Usually, 5 to 8 years is a good service lifetime for a GFCI outlet in an RV.  They are designed to be very sensitive to a small fault current and therefore they are much more fragile to voltage transient damage.
 
It's an easy fix if you have electrical experience, otherwise, as Tim noted, have someone try replacing the GFCI for you.  If you do replace it, use one that has the front panel LED power indicator.  They are much  easier to just glance at and see whether the outlet has been tripped or not.  The LED will be on, until it is tripped.  If it is out, push reset.  If the LED flashes, but won't reset, you have a faulty load plugged in somewhere.  If the LED won't even flash, or the reset won't latch in, you have one of two problems:
    • your GFCI is defective, or
       
    • you have no power on the input side of the outlet, so then you look for power source to the GFCI problems (open breaker upstream, etc.).
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    Good luck.  Glad you are home safely.  On to the next adventure!
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    Reply #38 –
    Neal..that reminds me of the GFI in our bathroom,last year it stopped working and I replaced it while on the road. What was/is very confusing the ground wires are not hooked to this receptacle,looks to be factory original..it is pass thru receptacle.
    Should the grounds be hooked up.???

    Dani...did not mean to hi-jack your thread

    Hans

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    Reply #39 –
    No worries Hans, it's all open to "whatever" comments need be made.... :)  Neal, thanks so much for this, now I know there's a 'plain' and a 'fancy' GFI outlet & will definitely go for the 'fancy'!  The coach is almost 18 and she sat for 8 years before I got her a year ago so I'm sure you're right about the GFI being ancient, am gonna start there and work down the list from there.

    Appreciate all the great replies!  What an amazing bunch.... :-*

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    Reply #40 –
    Quote from: sfbmw –
    ...............................................What was/is very confusing the ground wires are not hooked to this receptacle,looks to be factory original..it is pass thru receptacle.
    Should the grounds be hooked up. ??? ......................................................
    Hans, I can't recall ever seeing a GFCI outlet that wasn't 3-wire standard, FT or otherwise.
    Sometimes the configuration can be difficult to see and I always just follow the packaging directions, rather than trying to understand the configuration.
    See the typical wiring in the attached drawing.  Yes, the grounds need to have integrity from the supply panel to the final outlet in the string and I think that the packaging also calls for making the ground connection within each outlet box frame.  Of course, if the outlet box frame is not grounded to the coach frame, then it doesn't matter, which would be my guess in your case.
    We have a lot of GFCI failures in SW Florida.  I think that it is because the Florida water table is so shallow and there are so many lightning strikes during the wet season, but I don't know for sure.  I usually have to replace several each year in the coach house and for the exterior outlets each year.  They don't fail in the winter months, just during the wet (June to Sept) season when the daily lightning storms are so active.
    Not sure why yours would be wired differently though, Hans, except for my guess above.
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