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Re: paying extra for tech support

Reply #50
Jim, I hate to launch into this diatribe...but you asked.  This was in regard to our new (to us) 2002 42' U320.  We had FOT do a headlight conversion instead of XTREME (please don't make that mistake).  FOT was unable to match the color shade on the conversion...and, yes, it has the original FOT paint colors.  FOT left the passenger-side fog lamp just hanging there.  When we insisted that they remedy it, they still left it adjusted so that the lens stares up and to the right.  FOT pressurized our coach to find and fix leaks, and left us with a severe living room slide leak.  We had new carpet installed, for which FOT had to remove seats and disconnect accelerator pedal.  They forgot to reconnect accelerator which caused a check engine light.  They fought and fought to force us to go to Cummins and have it checked.  Eventually, they caved in and ran diagnostics, which found the unhooked accelerator pedal.  We weren't around one evening when they pulled the coach out.  A/C was running.  FOT didn't level the coach when they parked it, which caused zone 2 A/C to dump a HUGE amount of water on the new carpet before we came back and found the situation. I leveled the coach and the downpour stopped.  It took about 2 weeks of fans constantly running to dry it out.  As far as my wife is concerned, they ruined her new carpet.  FOT denied any responsibility to level a parked coach (the lot has considerable slope).  There is more, but I'm getting tired of writing.  Anyhow. quality is NOT job one at FOT.

Larry
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Bummer, thanks for info. For now think I will stick with MOT and Nac. Motorhome Service. Both have treated me well. Used to go to FOT for parts, but twice they said the part I needed was obsolete, and not obtainable, I then called MOT, and they had it in stock, go figure.
Jim C.
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Re: paying extra for tech support

Reply #51
Since we no longer own a FT this is one of the reasons we dropped the Motorcade club.  Sadly they are not building anything that we would want to buy. Smaller is not 37 foot
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Re: paying extra for tech support

Reply #52
There is a branch of the club in the pacific NW and other places accept the motorcade discount other then the factory too.  A number of the old dealers and I also believe the CC agreement supports the discount in OR. Also RnR in Spokane is the old Factory dealership but do not know if they support the discount but they do understand our coaches.
* RnR is NOT the old factory store. A couple of people who worked at the old Liberty Lake store work  there.
It is nothing like Foretravel proper was. I was a service adviser at RnR for a couple of years.
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Re: paying extra for tech support

Reply #53
I have no issue with a $25 yearly charge for tech support. Imagine if your business was fixing a product and you spent all day on the phone helping people avoid using your shop services.
I bought my coach used when it was 17 years old. FT hasn't likely made much money on my coach in a very long time. Every part that has been used to fix our coach in the last 4 years, Was not a FT specific part that had to be ordered from them. I have ordered one or two closet push/push latches from FT.
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Re: paying extra for tech support

Reply #54
I have no issue with a $25 yearly charge for tech support. Imagine if your business was fixing a product and you spent all day on the phone helping people avoid using your shop services.

Conversely, imagine dropping tens of thousands of dollars in service and remodel over the years, plus being a proponent of the brand, then being told no tech support unless you coughed up an additional fee (no matter how small or under what guise (like "club" membership))

Leaves a nasty taste in your mouth.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

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Re: paying extra for tech support

Reply #55
I agree with both points of view.  Frankly I think the club membership needs the tech support angle and the Parts/Service discount angle to keep the membership numbers up, considering the relatively low participation rate of  the total membership  in the Motorcade events (which is the other major benefit) Since I think both points of view (free tech support or chargeable tech support) have merit I think there could be policies easily implemented so that one could qualify for tech support in a number of ways, including as a loyalty benefit for annual spend in service, examples: First off - 4. Any coach 5  years old or less gets free support automatically regardless of where purchased
    • Join the club

    • Buy a used (over 5 year old) coach from FOT-  1 - 4 years free based some established criteria using cost of coach and age of coach
    • Annual Spend - Spend "X" dollars at Foretravel Parts/Service/Remodel - earn a free year membership in Motorcade club
    • Discretionary - Management should give significant latitude to the tech support gatekeepers to help out as needed to maintain the perception of a quality brand and amazing customer service.

    I look at it this way - if FOT would ever cease operations, I would want another company to pick up parts and technical support for our coaches, and it would be unreasonable to expect that company to support a fleet of legacy coaches across the nation without recovering in some way the cost of providing that technical support.  And having James T or someone else doing that full time is a costly expense to FOTm as it would be for any other successor company.
    As an example, look no further than Oregon Motorcoach in Salem OR.  They purchased a significant portion of the Country Coach parts inventory when CC ceased operation and picked up some of the best technicians.  (They are far better known for their country coach work than their FT work, which is acceptable but not on par with MOT.)  Oregon Motorcoach has a policy of providing CC phone tech support to anyone who calls in, but almost exclusively on a chargeable basis at their normal shop rate. In this way those legacy orphan Country Coaches can enjoy near factory level support, albeit at a fee, A nice alternative to self help or the user forum when needed.
    So i feel that the idea of paying FOT some compensation (club membership, "earn in" based on service spend, benefit provided with purchase of coach, direct invoice etc.)  to give technical support on a 10 - 30 year old is reasonable.
    As in so many of the things at FOT today, management does not seem to be in tune with the market or the Foretravel owners.
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    Re: paying extra for tech support

    Reply #56
    Conversely, imagine dropping tens of thousands of dollars in service and remodel over the years, plus being a proponent of the brand, then being told no tech support unless you coughed up an additional fee (no matter how small or under what guise (like "club" membership))

    Leaves a nasty taste in your mouth.
    A valid point as well.
    As Tim F suggested, FoT could and should have loyal customers coded in their computer. Those folks get free tech support. Guys like me who have never used FoT services should pay a fee of some sort. To be honest, I have never had to call FoT tech support because I have Foreforum tech support.
    Jerry & Nona and Kimeru the cat that thinks she's a dog
    1998 36' WTFE U320  #5314 Motorcade #17711
    USAF 1975-1995
    2019 Subaru Crosstrek 'toad'
    2003 Subaru Legacy touring car
    jerry Fincher | Flickr