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Reply #25
You are looking in the right area, it is a tube and it is near the drain hose holder.
Oh ok, I was looking for the whole tank "LOL"  I crawled under as far as I could in front and behind both rear wheels looking for a tank and did not find one.  Then went inside and raised the bed and could not see one there either.

I did get to inspect where they fixed the rear bulkhead real good though  ^.^d
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #26
The wet tank is probably mounted up fairly high in the frame, somewhere around the rear axle.  I can't actually see ours unless I'm under the coach (with safety blocks installed).  The tank may or may not be similar in size and shape to the tanks at the front of your coach, but it will be easy to identify once you see it.

The drain line is usually a small 1/4" nylon tube attached to the bottom of the tank.  The tube runs over to the side of the frame, and has a small valve on the end of the tube. The valve is mounted with a bracket in front of the driver side rear tire, near the bottom of the wheel well opening.  With coach air pressure up, when you open the valve it should blow dry air, if you are lucky.  If unlucky, you will get water or a muddy mixture of water and other junk when you open the valve.  Let it keep blowing out the junk until it's only air coming out.

Then we'll talk about air dryers.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #27
Thanks Chuck, I was looking for something big so I may have missed a small tube but I do remember seeing a sticker on the inside of the rear compartment that said something like "air system".  :-[

If I make it back out there today I will give it another look.
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #28
The drain is a line from the bottom of the tank that goes to the front of the left rear tire where a petcock is located.  No need to crawl under to check the wet tank for signs of dryer failure (water or powder) .
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Reply #29
I'm sure there must be something in past topics, but wouldn't it be a rather easy task to install " remote " drains for the three tanks in the front of my coach ??  Why FT didn't do this is puzzling. They must enjoy watching old fat boys like me crawl under the coach to purge the tanks. Pretty entertaining !!
Glenn and Amy Beinfest
2001 36' U320
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Reply #30
...wouldn't it be a rather easy task to install " remote " drains for the three tanks in the front of my coach ??
Yes.  Easy.  Worthwhile.  Do it.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Air Leak Down

Reply #31
If this helps I had a air leak and what I did was use an external air source with a double male connector to my air hose and found my dash parking brake P/E switch leaking and my brake chamber along with door step.
1985 35' ORED
Harley's
Rat Rods

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Reply #32
If this helps I had a air leak and what I did was use an external air source with a double male connector to my air hose
Are you talking about where you would attach an air hose to air up your tires?
 
Thanks,
 
Trent
Trent and Jean Eyler
2000  U295  4003  WTFE  ISC  350
Build#5603 MC#17385

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Reply #33
Are you talking about where you would attach an air hose to air up your tires?
 
Yes it was where the hose plugs into the coach air line.  I just unplugged it but I still have some leaks someplace.

When I let the air out of the wet tank I held my hand under it and only felt 2 things hit my hand but there were so small I could not see them.  After the tank was empty I checked the gauges and both read the same but about 4 psi less than when i got out to bleed down the tank and get back.
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #34

What you felt might be desiccant balls, not good. The air experts will post more as I don't have time right now.
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Re: Air Leak Down

Reply #35
While "something hitting your hand" could indicate a failed dryer, remember that the wet tank drain is in the left rear wheel well (read that as in a "dirty" area).

So, if this was just for the very first second you opened the petcock, it could just be dirt in the petcock.  Let that clear out and THEN see what you have.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
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Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

Re: Air Leak Down

Reply #36
I'm sure there must be something in past topics, but wouldn't it be a rather easy task to install " remote " drains for the three tanks in the front of my coach ??  Why FT didn't do this is puzzling. They must enjoy watching old fat boys like me crawl under the coach to purge the tanks. Pretty entertaining !!
Yes I did that, did something similar to what FT did with the rear wet tank.  I removed the petcocks and replaced with  brass ells  and black plastic lines over to a new location for the petcocks forward of the right front wheel. I put the petcocks there to stay away from the heat from the generator.  I had to make a steel bracket to hold the petcocks and fasten it to a frame member.  I rarely get any water out of those petcocks, but I do have a few more chances for a leak or road debris damage. 
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Reply #37
Thanks guys, I am going out tomorrow and go over some stuff and take pictures of my dryer so I can order the correct one.  I will air it up again and then let it dump out and see if there is anything else coming out.  If I dont feel anything I will take it for a short run to check my power issue after replacing the switches.

I did get a copy of my air schematic yesterday from FOT so I will looking over a lot of stuff  ^.^d
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #38
Remember, if you make any modifications to the air system that involve the wet tank or the front and rear brake tanks, you are messing with the components that make your brakes work.  I think (but don't know for a fact) that any fittings and plastic lines used should be meet DOT approved standards.  Plastic line, especially, should be high quality, because the heat under the coach and around the rear axel and engine compartment can get pretty high.  I learned this lesson when I first installed my air pressure gauge in our engine compartment.  I ran cheap plastic tubing from the D2 regulator up to the gauge.  On our first trip after the installation, the plastic line got so hot (from engine proximity) that it softened and pulled out of the compression fitting on the back of the gauge.  This, in turn, caused the D2 to not register the pressure in the wet tank, so the engine air compressor did not know when to cut out.  My first clue was when both our dash air pressure gauges pegged out at 150 psi.  When I walked to the back of the coach, I could hear the 150 psi safety relief valve (LOUDLY) blowing off excess pressure in the wet tank.  Luckily, I had used a small brass needle valve on the D2 port where I connected the plastic line.  Closing the needle valve restored everything to proper operation.  Once we got home, the cheap plastic line was replaced with a DOT rubber hose with braided stainless outer cover.

My long-winded way of saying "Always use high quality fittings and air lines on any air brake tank mods".
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #39
Thanks Chuck, as a retired Mfg Eng I always lean that way and sometimes to the extreme  ^.^d 
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #40
Thanks guys, I am going out tomorrow and go over some stuff and take pictures of my dryer so I can order the correct one.  I will air it up again and then let it dump out and see if there is anything else coming out.  If I dont feel anything I will take it for a short run to check my power issue after replacing the switches.

I did get a copy of my air schematic yesterday from FOT so I will looking over a lot of stuff  ^.^d
I just changed my dryer out last week, not to hard of a job...  NAPA can get the Haldex remanufactured dryer assembly for ~250 plus a $99 core charge for you old one back. I pulled mine to have to compare when the one I ordered came in. you will need the 3 fittings off your old one cause the new one doesn't have them.... about a 2 hour job off and on
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