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Re: Installing See-Level tank monitors

Reply #25
Don't you also have to include a +12VDC at the switch if you want to have the LED indicator to show the status of the pump?
Don
I have a display in the bathroom and one in the wet bay.  Both are not too far from water pump switches.  One wire from a momentary switch on the SeeLevel panel to a ground line on the switched side of a water pump switch is all it needs.
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1999 U270 3602 WTFE #5402
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Reply #26
When I bought mine last year, Garnett told me that they did not offer a momentary switch option.  Maybe they do now.  It also appeared that the switch is integrated into their display panel and not easily replaced.  I'm sure they'd tell you if it can be replaced, and that would be  good to know before buying the switch version.

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Reply #27
Don't you also have to include a +12VDC at the switch if you want to have the LED indicator to show the status of the pump?
Don

Well yes if you want an indicator light.  That +12v comes from the latching relay as does the power to the pump.

This diagram is for the fill valve but it is the same as the water pump.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #28
I definitely want the indicator light... our humble U270 only came with one water pump switch in the kitchen. I want to add one to the bathroom, and one by the exit door. Now I need to figure out if our coach has the wires already present in the bathroom, as I know the harness is the same in many respects across the model range. That would make a bathroom water pump switch an easy install if the wires are there. I figure I will have to run a pair of wires to the front for the extra switch by the exit. Thanks for the info!
Don
Well yes if you want an indicator light.  That +12v comes from the latching relay as does the power to the pump.

This diagram is for the fill valve but it is the same as the water pump.
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Don & Tys
1999 U270 3602 WTFE #5402
Xtreme Stage 1 w/Headlight, Step Conversion, etc.
2009 Honda Fit Sport with Navi
Freedom is NOT "just another word for nothing left to lose"... with apologies to Kris Kristofferson

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Reply #29
Be very careful. I am replacing the sensors and panel because the guy wired the relay to the pump incorrectly, and it smoked the board.Almost started a fire.
The old sensors won't work with the newer panel.
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Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
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Re: Installing See-Level tank monitors

Reply #30
I definitely want the indicator light... our humble U270 only came with one water pump switch in the kitchen. I want to add one to the bathroom, and one by the exit door. Now I need to figure out if our coach has the wires already present in the bathroom, as I know the harness is the same in many respects across the model range. That would make a bathroom water pump switch an easy install if the wires are there. I figure I will have to run a pair of wires to the front for the extra switch by the exit. Thanks for the info!
Don

Pretty easy to connect, harder to get wires where they need to go.  An automatice timer shutoff for the water pump is easier to connect, no wiring to the front door. 
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #31
Don, our kitchen and bath sink are on the same street side of the coach separated by fridge, so we just ran a water pump cable from kitchen to bath along the inside along side the ABS drain pipe. We don't have a slide, so running kitchen water pump cable to door was also without too much challenge. Water pump relay is mounted on bay wall, so running a water pump switch cable to water bay faucet area was also straight forward. Just have enough wires in the cable to toggle relay on & off and have an LED lamp light when relay is on.

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Reply #32
Don, add this little programmable timer to the circuit.  Plus 12v starts the timer, when it goes off it closes a path to ground (just like pushing the pump switch again) and the power to the pump and the indicator light and the timer goes off.  Very simple add on and we never worry about "did we leave the pump on?". 

12V 10 Amp Timer (SINK OUTPUT) [TMR10-SINK] - .95 : 3rd Brake Flasher Web...
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #33
Don, add this little programmable timer to the circuit.  Plus 12v starts the timer, when it goes off it closes a path to ground (just like pushing the pump switch again) and the power to the pump and the indicator light and the timer goes off.  Very simple add on and we never worry about "did we leave the pump on?". 

12V 10 Amp Timer (SINK OUTPUT) [TMR10-SINK] - .95 : 3rd Brake Flasher Web...
I have thought about putting in your timer idea, but how do you keep the ice maker happy with it?
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Reply #34
Thanks for the link Roger, I have read your posts on this project and it seems like an excellent fail safe. I still intend to add switches as a nighttime convenience, as I have no issue with running wires to the appropriate locations. All I need is the time ::)  ^.^d
Don
Don, add this little programmable timer to the circuit.  Plus 12v starts the timer, when it goes off it closes a path to ground (just like pushing the pump switch again) and the power to the pump and the indicator light and the timer goes off.  Very simple add on and we never worry about "did we leave the pump on?". 

12V 10 Amp Timer (SINK OUTPUT) [TMR10-SINK] - .95 : 3rd Brake Flasher Web...
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Don & Tys
1999 U270 3602 WTFE #5402
Xtreme Stage 1 w/Headlight, Step Conversion, etc.
2009 Honda Fit Sport with Navi
Freedom is NOT "just another word for nothing left to lose"... with apologies to Kris Kristofferson

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Reply #35
I have thought about putting in your timer idea, but how do you keep the ice maker happy with it?

How much water does it need to make ice?  Your accumulator should provide a half gallon or so even with the pump off.

If we are not using water then the pump is off.  Safe practice.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #36
Unfortunately my coach has had the water pump upgrade and no accumulator. From what I have read on the Forum, it is not recommended to add the accumulator to my pump. Sometimes there is a negative trade off to an upgrade.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
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Reply #37
I did the water pump upgrade long ago and have one of the variable speed water pumps that say not to use an accumulator. I bought a nice stainless steel Shurflo 3400 series accumulator which I plan to install behind the bottom drawer in the kitchen. I did some research and found accounts of those who used accumulator tanks with the variable speed pumps without issue. I will have to do some testing, but my theory is that the cut in pressure of the pump just needs to be in the right psi with the accumulator tanks air. Some testing will be necessary to get it right, but that is my theory and I am sticking to it until I get empirical data to prove or disprove it. I tend to forget the details of past research until a project is underway, but that project is on on hold until higher priorities are dealt with... I will of course post the results when I have managed to complete the project. Worst case scenario, I will change out the pump and keep the accumulator if I find they won't play well together. The reason I am dead set on having an accumulator tank in the system is that although the Aquajet 55 ARV pump has worked well and reliably since I installed it 5 or so years ago, but having the pump run every time you flush the toilet at night or have run periodically when make RO drinking water is less than optimal. My hope is that the 2 gallon tank (total volume, .7 gal liquid at 20PSI) will even out the night time flushes and reduce the frequency of the RO driven cycles.
Don
Unfortunately my coach has had the water pump upgrade and no accumulator. From what I have read on the Forum, it is not recommended to add the accumulator to my pump. Sometimes there is a negative trade off to an upgrade.
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Don & Tys
1999 U270 3602 WTFE #5402
Xtreme Stage 1 w/Headlight, Step Conversion, etc.
2009 Honda Fit Sport with Navi
Freedom is NOT "just another word for nothing left to lose"... with apologies to Kris Kristofferson

Re: Installing See-Level tank monitors

Reply #38
I did the water pump upgrade long ago and have one of the variable speed water pumps that say not to use an accumulator. I bought a nice stainless steel Shurflo 3400 series accumulator which I plan to install behind the bottom drawer in the kitchen. I did some research and found accounts of those who used accumulator tanks with the variable speed pumps without issue. I will have to do some testing, but my theory is that the cut in pressure of the pump just needs to be in the right psi with the accumulator tanks air. Some testing will be necessary to get it right, but that is my theory and I am sticking to it until I get empirical data to prove or disprove it. I tend to forget the details of past research until a project is underway, but that project is on on hold until higher priorities are dealt with... I will of course post the results when I have managed to complete the project. Worst case scenario, I will change out the pump and keep the accumulator if I find they won't play well together. The reason I am dead set on having an accumulator tank in the system is that although the Aquajet 55 ARV pump has worked well and reliably since I installed it 5 or so years ago, but having the pump run every time you flush the toilet at night or have run periodically when make RO drinking water is less than optimal. My hope is that the 2 gallon tank (total volume, .7 gal liquid at 20PSI) will even out the night time flushes and reduce the frequency of the RO driven cycles.
Don

I tried it both ways. Yes, the pump doesn't run every OTHER time you flush, but when it does run, it runs a long time before it shuts off. That in itself was ignoring in the middle of the night.
I tried all kinds of pressure setting's on the new Accumulator tank.
The new Surflo's, make as much or more then city pressure, mine is at 55. Love it, and the wife never complains anymore about pressure when on the pump
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Reply #39
Pressure with the Aquajet 55 ARV has never been the issue. As the name implies, it is rated at 55 psi and the same shower experience as good city water pressure. I just want to hopefully lessen the frequency of the cycles. and smooth out the flow on very low demand uses. It will be an experiment! 8)
Don
I tried it both ways. Yes, the pump doesn't run every OTHER time you flush, but when it does run, it runs a long time before it shuts off. That in itself was ignoring in the middle of the night.
I tried all kinds of pressure setting's on the new Accumulator tank.
The new Surflo's, make as much or more then city pressure, mine is at 55. Love it, and the wife never complains anymore about pressure when on the pump
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Don & Tys
1999 U270 3602 WTFE #5402
Xtreme Stage 1 w/Headlight, Step Conversion, etc.
2009 Honda Fit Sport with Navi
Freedom is NOT "just another word for nothing left to lose"... with apologies to Kris Kristofferson

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Reply #40
To avoid running the pump in the middle of the night, we turn it off and put a pitcher of water on the counter for refilling after flush.  It works pretty well.
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