Re: Cheap Tools Reply #25 – September 03, 2018, 02:36:03 pm If you buy cheap tools then you have cheap tools. I have been buying woodworking tools, hand and powered, for almost 50 years. The initial cost of quality tools is always less than replacing cheap tools several times. And you get to use good tools rather than junk all the while. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #26 – September 03, 2018, 02:52:28 pm He also got a Makita slider mitre saw and my prized Rockwell mitre saw from the 80's. did not get the boat, Rockwell/Delta table saw an drill press(too heavy i guess). You never think of how you will feel til it happens. Almost like losing a family member. I have been taking care of these tools and kept them as new since they were new. Yes home owners insurance will take care of most of the tools and stuff. Motorhome insurance will cover just a small part of what is missing there. My son did get me to laugh when he said, "At least they did not make a mess.". I responded, "because they took everything they touched." Now to up the insurance policies. A little good news from the insurance companies. Home owners ins said they would not depreciate anything and waive the deductible.John Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #27 – September 03, 2018, 03:14:59 pm Quote from: Roger & Susan in Home2 – September 03, 2018, 02:36:03 pmIf you buy cheap tools then you have cheap tools. I have been buying woodworking tools, hand and powered, for almost 50 years. The initial cost of quality tools is always less than replacing cheap tools several times. And you get to use good tools rather than junk all the while.to say little about broken fingers, arms, etc. OR WORSE Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #28 – September 03, 2018, 03:28:34 pm Quote from: John and Stacey – September 03, 2018, 02:52:28 pmHe also got a Makita slider mitre saw and my prized Rockwell mitre saw from the 80's. did not get the boat, Rockwell/Delta table saw an drill press(too heavy i guess). You never think of how you will feel til it happens. Almost like losing a family member. I have been taking care of these tools and kept them as new since they were new. Yes home owners insurance will take care of most of the tools and stuff. Motorhome insurance will cover just a small part of what is missing there. My son did get me to laugh when he said, "At least they did not make a mess.". I responded, "because they took everything they touched." Now to up the insurance policies. A little good news from the insurance companies. Home owners ins said they would not depreciate anything and waive the deductible.JohnThat news is worth a "like" You won't get the same quality now on the same brands you had but at least something to keep going with. Quote Selected
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #29 – September 03, 2018, 04:13:29 pm Quote from: Roger & Susan in Home2 – September 03, 2018, 02:36:03 pmIf you buy cheap tools then you have cheap tools. I have been buying woodworking tools, hand and powered, for almost 50 years. The initial cost of quality tools is always less than replacing cheap tools several times. And you get to use good tools rather than junk all the while.If you use a tool all the time, either as a hobby or a profession, Roger is dead on. Buying a quality tool is almost always less expensive in the long run than an inexpensive tool. For the RV owner with a bit of shade tree skill and only the occasional need, places like HF offer some good alternatives to stock the storage compartment without breaking the bank.As an example, I used to overhaul a lot of Mercedes 617 diesel engines (300SD) and needed to pull the precombustion chamber out of the cylinder head to be able to surface the head or fit a new chamber. The pretty simple factory tool cost about $600 with an aftermarket South American tool still fetching $335 today on ebay. Mercedes Benz prechamber pre-chamber puller extractor tool 621589013300 | eBay Going to a parts store, I could purchase a inexpensive tool to do the same job for about $35. It didn't work as quickly/easily and wore out after a dozen prechambers were removed. The expensive tool did pay for itself with working efficiently and without producing any detectable wear on the tool itself.Pierce Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #30 – September 03, 2018, 04:30:55 pm I feel for you, John. I had the same precision tools as you lost, only mine went as part of selling my business. It crushed me, at first, (like losing a child), but when making a life decision (full timing), I had to let them go. I kept some small items (Starrett, John Fluke, my Japanese pull saws, a Stanley square that was my Grandfather's). Hope you get them back, anyone who steals a man's tools should rot in hell. I am reminded of a quote from Oscar Wilde: "I'm a man of simple tastes, I'm always satisfied with the best." Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #31 – September 03, 2018, 05:59:25 pm Quote from: Roger & Susan in Home2 – September 03, 2018, 02:36:03 pmIf you buy cheap tools then you have cheap tools. I have been buying woodworking tools, hand and powered, for almost 50 years. The initial cost of quality tools is always less than replacing cheap tools several times. And you get to use good tools rather than junk all the while.One problem today is that even "good" and brand name tools are often of inferior quality made in Chinindia. It's really frustrating, because I have an offbrand mongomery ward "cheap" grease gun from the 70's that was made in the USA and still works great. Back then, even the "cheap" stuff was better than much of the "good" stuff today. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #32 – September 03, 2018, 06:20:35 pm These were my Grandfather's, who I hardly knew. Bless Grandma for saving them and passing them on. Every time I use them, I think of him. Tools can be replaced, but the memories can not. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #33 – September 03, 2018, 06:23:37 pm Cheap does not always mean poor quality. What was cheap 40 years ago by today's standards was very dear back then. Buy the best quality you can afford. In the long run it pays off. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #34 – September 03, 2018, 07:27:37 pm I recently reworked an old Craftsman 12" bandsaw for my grandson. I replaced the guide assembly with an eBay custom piece. The email was Foretravel@ one of our members? Quote Selected
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #35 – September 03, 2018, 07:34:43 pm Quote from: mike leary – September 03, 2018, 06:20:35 pmThese were my Grandfather's, who I hardly knew. Bless Grandma for saving them and passing them on. Every time I use them, I think of him. Tools can be replaced, but the memories can not.Mike,That's a sailor's knife with a marlin spike. Did he do any sailing? I recognize the rest from my dad's tool box. He had a drill like that and another you pushed on and it spun. Good tools.OK, my number 1 tool for any Foretravel owner.................the small 12V drill and impact driver kit made by Rigid, Milwaukee, Bosch, etc, etc. They don't weight much and fit into any hand. The impact driver is 1/4" quick change and will take lots of different sockets and remove a remarkable amount of fasteners. I like my larger battery as it not only lasts longer but the drill or impact driver will stand up by itself. This one is mine but they are all good. I have not used a larger 18V in a long time. I installed a two unit deck last year downstairs with them. EZ. https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-12-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Drill-Driver-and-Impact-Driver-Combo-Kit-with-2-Batteries-Charger-and-Bag-R9000K/205358335Pierce Quote Selected
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #36 – September 03, 2018, 07:49:21 pm Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – September 03, 2018, 07:34:43 pm That's a sailor's knife with a marlin spike. He was in the British Royal Navy in WW1.....35 years at sea. Quote Selected
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #37 – September 03, 2018, 07:56:07 pm Ok Mike you are aging me. Three of those tools I bought NEW! and the drill I bought is newer than your Grandfather's. The monkey wrench and ratchet I inherited. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #38 – September 03, 2018, 08:07:26 pm "There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person's lawful prey. It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money — that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot — it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better."John Ruskin Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #39 – September 03, 2018, 09:05:16 pm I bought a proto 1/4" drive rachet set with breaker bar set 30 years ago at an estate sale. All of the sockets were 4 point like in carrage bolts. Rachet mechanism is super fine gearing and the hand grips knurled. Real jewel of a tool that only I have access to. Still working great. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #40 – September 03, 2018, 09:32:30 pm John, always frustrating to loose your stuff, start checking local pawn shops that is where tools usually go they or he definitely won't be using them.When I moved to current location (19 years) my elderly neighbor told me the local crack heads tried to help everyone keep new tools, they come through every couple years and clean out the old tools.Chris Quote Selected
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #41 – September 03, 2018, 10:22:24 pm Craigslist and or eBay may be a fencer's choice, cops used to check out pawn shops. Bottom line is the AHJ has no budget to investigate, prosecute, or incarcerate. After all normal people have insurance so it's all good. Quote Selected
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #42 – September 04, 2018, 08:33:01 am Some of my hand-me-down tools, from father and grandfather.I have a bunch of Craftsman iron "C" clamps (1" and 8" shown). The ratcheting screw drivers are Yankee brand, as is the small 4-blade pocket driver set. The hand drill is Millers Falls. Pipe wrench is Hibbard. Double adjustable wrench is genuine Crescent. All made in USA.Old hand tools are cool, but if you start collecting them, it can quickly get "out of hand" and fill up your garage. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #43 – September 04, 2018, 09:35:48 am During our long winter layup I took up woodworking. I had two family planes in the front room for safe keeping. They both have blades that have our family name. Denninghoff as seen in the arc in the photo. I have decided not to use them but keep them as heirlooms. Quote Selected 4 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #44 – September 04, 2018, 04:11:10 pm A VERY pretty plane! I had a set of planes, from a small 'jack' (for shingles) to a 12" long bed. Loved using them, had the angle roller and Japanese wet stones; could shave with them afterwards! ! I'd sharpen it up and use it, it was NOT meant to sit on a coffee table! Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #45 – September 04, 2018, 04:55:46 pm Just came back from the mail box...Received a check from Safeco on the theft of items that were in the motorhome..."No deduction for the deductible" paid full amount in a timely manner. Quote Selected 6 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #46 – September 05, 2018, 12:05:03 pm I inherited some tools from my dad and understand how difficult it is to get rid of something "he had his hands on". Unfortunately, he didn't buy the best quality, but they have managed to hold up. I have to go with functionality and dependability and have let most of it go. I have a representative hand saw on my garage wall that I will never use or get rid of. I've done a similar thing with my mother's needle point and gave the rest to friends and family that could appreciate it. I would have a storage problem if I had kept everything.I have to agree with Pierce in that one should get quality for something that is being used frequently, but go with adequate for the occasionally used tool (I'm paraphrasing). I also don't want something I never use to take up space, with exception of Dad's saw. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #47 – September 05, 2018, 12:20:20 pm Along the same lines as Sven I also kept one "tool" my dad had,his Colt 38 police special after 30 plus years of the Chicagopolice dept. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #48 – September 05, 2018, 02:22:58 pm My dad was a mechanical person too. I inherited 3 rollaways full of tools. Now I have 10. I am now going to start selling or giving tools to other family members. as I have too many duplicates. There will still be enough for my son to repair anything he is capable of when the time comes. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Cheap Tools Reply #49 – September 05, 2018, 08:06:12 pm Quote from: John44 – September 05, 2018, 12:20:20 pmAlong the same lines as Sven I also kept one "tool" my dad had,his Colt 38 police special after 30 plus years of the Chicagopolice dept.That would be a family treasure. I have a combination (hydrant/hose coupling) spanner that I carried in my turnouts for thirty years, but that doesn't seem to have the same cache' with my sons. Quote Selected
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