Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #20 – October 09, 2019, 08:18:03 pm Quote from: jcus – October 09, 2019, 04:08:48 pmThink batteries alone are over $10k.Forgot about the batteries.. couldnt get past the 24v system in a 12v coach Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #21 – October 09, 2019, 08:30:47 pm Quote from: DavidS – October 09, 2019, 08:18:03 pmForgot about the batteries.. couldnt get past the 24v system in a 12v coach My '81 FTX is set up for 24 volts. I bought a Xantrex 4024, 4000 watts continuous 11,000 watts surge 150 amp charger at 24 volts. I used it for 12 years after setting it up. Bought a military converter to power the 12 volts systems in the coach. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #22 – October 09, 2019, 09:04:13 pm Quote from: kenhat – October 09, 2019, 08:13:39 pm100W panels?? That will take 33 panels! Why not use 375W panels it would only take 9. Is there an advantage to 100w panels? Not criticizing just asking. see yaken With 100W and 90W and 115W sets in the other zone they are able to fit them into all the available space more efficiently. That is how I managed to get as much solar as I have planned. 9 375W panels would not fit on my 38' coach and fit around the 2 A/C units, 2 fantastic fans, Fridge vent, microwave exhaust vent, 2 tank vents, and 2 Hadley horns. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #23 – October 09, 2019, 10:59:57 pm Quote from: valento – October 09, 2019, 09:04:13 pmWith 100W and 90W and 115W sets in the other zone they are able to fit them into all the available space more efficiently. That is how I managed to get as much solar as I have planned. 9 375W panels would not fit on my 38' coach and fit around the 2 A/C units, 2 fantastic fans, Fridge vent, microwave exhaust vent, 2 tank vents, and 2 Hadley horns.Guess you are running series\parallel. What is the final voltage going into your solar controllers? Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #24 – October 09, 2019, 11:26:12 pm Quote from: jcus – October 09, 2019, 10:59:57 pmGuess you are running series\parallel. What is the final voltage going into your solar controllers?Jim - If you mean total operating voltage AM Solar has posted on their website the operating voltage for each panel. So would thaT be 312V (12 100W with 20V operating voltage and 4 90W with 18V operating voltage) for one controller and 352V (14 100W with 20V operating voltage and 4 90W with 18V operating voltage)for the tother controller. I am not sure if I am properly answering your question so forgive me I gave you the wrong info. They once had 115W panels in the build but I see now I only have 100W and 90W panels in sets. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #25 – October 09, 2019, 11:57:53 pm Quote from: DavidS – October 09, 2019, 03:34:46 pmSafe to say $15-20K?David, that battery bank wholesale is 26K alone. My guess is closer to 32K to 35K. But then again, I am never good at estimating labor costs. So could be closer to 40K. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #26 – October 10, 2019, 12:22:31 am Quote from: valento – October 09, 2019, 11:26:12 pmJim - If you mean total operating voltage AM Solar has posted on their website the operating voltage for each panel. So would thaT be 312V (12 100W with 20V operating voltage and 4 90W with 18V operating voltage) for one controller and 352V (14 100W with 20V operating voltage and 4 90W with 18V operating voltage)for the tother controller. I am not sure if I am properly answering your question so forgive me I gave you the wrong info. They once had 115W panels in the build but I see now I only have 100W and 90W panels in sets.Oscar. believe your controllers can only take 150 volts max, so they would need to parallel some panels, [voltage stays the same but current increases] and series some [voltage increases, but current stays the same]. or they could run all in parallel which would require massive sized wires. If they specify 150 volt controllers, suspect they are going series/parallel. But they are experts and might know something I don't. My old 45 ft Newell with basement airs, could probably have taken 4000 watts Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #27 – October 10, 2019, 01:42:58 am Quote from: jcus – October 10, 2019, 12:22:31 amOscar. believe your controllers can only take 150 volts max, so they would need to parallel some panels, [voltage stays the same but current increases] and series some [voltage increases, but current stays the same]. or they could run all in parallel which would require massive sized wires. If they specify 150 volt controllers, suspect they are going series/parallel. But they are experts and might know something I don't. My old 45 ft Newell with basement airs, could probably have taken 4000 watts Oops, I think I answered incorrectly. Like you stated since I have two panels in series I would only have an operating voltage between 40V to 36V ( two 100W with 20V operating voltage = 40V or two 90W with 18V operating voltage = 36V) going to the controllers since these sets are in parallel. But, I will ask the experts putting this together in the morning when I get there. That is why I have them doing this and not me! Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #28 – October 10, 2019, 02:46:04 pm Jim - I asked this morning and the operating voltage will be between 40V and 36V ( two 100W panels with 20V each operating voltage = 40V or two 90W panels with 18V each operating voltage = 36V).They are installing the front solar array today so I will have some pictures tonight to post. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #29 – October 10, 2019, 09:43:48 pm Today they did more internal wiring and have the leads now up through the refrigerator vent. They installed four sets of 100W panels. They hope to finish the front solar array tomorrow and start on the rear solar array next week. I am hoping to get some pictures on the internal wiring tomorrow. In the picture with the four sets of panels the one panel set was not yet installed for they had to reorient the panel set to fit better and the feet were going to have to be moved to the side so it could be tilted. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #30 – October 11, 2019, 12:48:39 am Quote from: valento – October 10, 2019, 09:43:48 pmToday they did more internal wiring and have the leads now up through the refrigerator vent. They installed four sets of 100W panels. They hope to finish the front solar array tomorrow and start on the rear solar array next week. I am hoping to get some pictures on the internal wiring tomorrow. In the picture with the four sets of panels the one panel set was not yet installed for they had to reorient the panel set to fit better and the feet were going to have to be moved to the side so it could be tilted. So, thinking panel sides to the center of the coach can be lifted/tilted up so you can walk down the center between them? Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #31 – October 11, 2019, 07:16:47 am To add to Jim's question, is tilting for a walkway/maintaining roof, or to tilt for more sun in the winter months? Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #32 – October 11, 2019, 08:40:08 am I like the orange strings off the lift. I wonder how many coaches they hit before doing the strings. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #33 – October 11, 2019, 08:44:32 am How do you get to all of the wing nuts when you want to tilt the panels? I assume a ladder from the ground for the side & front edges? What about the 4 inside corners? Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #34 – October 11, 2019, 09:38:05 am Quote from: bdale – October 11, 2019, 08:44:32 amWhat about the 4 inside corners?Really long arms? Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #35 – October 11, 2019, 07:38:39 pm Did not quite finish the front array, only 1160W on the roof before quitting time. You can see 6 of the 8 LifeBlue 300Ah batteries on the table beside the coach. The other 2 LifeBlue 300Ah batteries were still being charged up to 100% SOC. They installed the Easy Starts in both A/C units. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #36 – October 11, 2019, 07:44:31 pm Quote from: turbojack – October 11, 2019, 08:40:08 amI like the orange strings off the lift. I wonder how many coaches they hit before doing the strings.The strings are likely to prevent hitting your head on the platform. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #37 – October 11, 2019, 10:16:23 pm Quote from: folivier – October 11, 2019, 07:16:47 amTo add to Jim's question, is tilting for a walkway/maintaining roof, or to tilt for more sun in the winter months?Yes to both. I would not be tilting the front 4 sets of panels for maintenance for they are beyond my A/C units. I will see what my consumption is when we get to our wintering spot this year near Temecula, CA. I prefer not to tilt any for additional sun unless I have to. The Solar Irradiance figures for that area and the direction the side of my coach will be facing with my panels down flat are:Nov - 3.34Dec - 2.79Jan - 2.99Feb - 3.73Mar - 5.28If I tilt them 41 degrees from vertical:Nov - 5.36Dec - 4.91Jan - 4.95Feb - 5.14Mar - 6.15So if you multiply your total panel wattage by the solar irradiance factor that in theory is what you can expect to produce given clear blue skies and no obstructions. My total panel wattage is expected to be 3320W. So, for example, in Dec I would only be able to produce 9,262.8Wh in perfect conditions with the panels down flat. If I tilted just 3 sets of the 100W two panel sets (total of 600W) that would increase to 10,534.8Wh. [Corrected to say Wh instead of W for solar panel daily production] Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #38 – October 11, 2019, 11:15:52 pm Quote from: valento – October 11, 2019, 10:16:23 pmYes to both. I would not be tilting the front 4 sets of panels for maintenance for they are beyond my A/C units. I will see what my consumption is when we get to our wintering spot this year near Temecula, CA. I prefer not to tilt any for additional sun unless I have to. The Solar Irradiance figures for that area and the direction the side of my coach will be facing with my panels down flat are:Nov - 3.34Dec - 2.79Jan - 2.99Feb - 3.73Mar - 5.28If I tilt them 41 degrees from vertical:Nov - 5.36Dec - 4.91Jan - 4.95Feb - 5.14Mar - 6.15So if you multiply your total panel wattage by the solar irradiance factor that in theory is what you can expect to produce given clear blue skies and no obstructions. My total panel wattage is expected to be 3320W. So, for example, in Dec I would only be able to produce 9,262.8W in perfect conditions with the panels down flat. If I tilted just 3 sets of the 100W two panel sets (total of 600W) that would increase to 10,534.8W.Oscar, I am confused. Understand that with proper tilt to get max. sun, solar production will be greater, but not sure how you would get over 9000 watts out of 3300 watts of panels?Mine are flat, but even under ideal conditions, have never seen more than 90% of their rated capacity.I need your secret. Quote Selected
Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar Reply #39 – October 11, 2019, 11:20:22 pm Quote from: jcus – October 11, 2019, 11:15:52 pmOscar, I am confused. Understand that with proper tilt to get max. sun, solar production will be greater, but not sure how you would get over 9000 watts out of 3300 watts of panels?Mine are flat, but even under ideal conditions, have never seen more than 90% of their rated capacity.I need your secret.I believe he is talking about watt hours. Quote Selected