Advice? ...overheating in Nacogdoches

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Reply #25 – September 06, 2020, 09:59:59 am

Quote from: ITguy – September 05, 2020, 06:33:14 pm

I'm suspecting the coolent is not circulating, as the overflow was cold, despite the high temps

Being able to place your hand in various places and judge the heat flow is a valuable skill. But, the coolant overflow tank is not part of the circulation and should not be hot. If the coolant overflow tank is hot, then you have other problems.

It may be time to check for a collapsed hose and replace the thermostat(s).

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Reply #26 – September 06, 2020, 10:14:01 am

With the valves closed no coolant gets to the filter. Opening again would put the filter back in operation.

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Reply #27 – September 06, 2020, 10:21:02 am

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I knew when I purchased an older coach there would be some maintenance fun. Fortunately our Rig worked perfectly on our most recent vacation. Given that it's at it's birthplace, I would hope they can quickly rectify the situation.
I just had transmission fluid change, new ladders, slide bladder replacement, several aquahot leaks fixed. When I first picked it up we got new tires, air bags and an airforce one.

Next is windshields, captins chairs, and side windows fix. I have 15 years until I retire, I figure if I start now it will be ready to go by then... I might even be able to talk my wife into a paint job in Mexico.

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Reply #28 – September 06, 2020, 04:28:39 pm

Quote from: dsd – September 06, 2020, 09:48:29 am

There is also a valve on the coolant filter to shut off flow during filter change. Wasn't there something about returning to the full open position after filter change. Don't recall if it bypassed in closed position.
Scott

This could explain it in 20 miles.

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Reply #29 – September 06, 2020, 05:02:04 pm

Quote from: ITguy – September 06, 2020, 10:21:02 am

I might even be able to talk my wife into a paint job in Mexico.

What color are you having your wife painted?

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Reply #30 – September 07, 2020, 07:00:25 am

Is she getting stripes or swirls?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Larry

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Reply #31 – September 07, 2020, 06:41:27 pm

Now that the Labor Day weekend is pretty much finished, I hope that ITguy will let us know if there was any engine damage from the high temperature running. Also what was the root cause.

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Reply #32 – September 07, 2020, 08:23:20 pm

All of the electronic engines should be protected from overheating damage with the computer automatically going into shutdown if the temp gets too high.

The GVs have the steering wheel rim in the way of the warning lights, at least on our coach with my height. When we lost a hydraulic belt, my view of the warning light was blocked so the first indication of a problem was when the engine went to 50 percent power and then shut off. If pulling a load and the belt comes off, the temperature will soar in just seconds so tough to catch it on the gauge.

Pierce

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Reply #33 – September 07, 2020, 08:36:25 pm

"If pulling a load and the belt comes off, the temperature will soar in just seconds so tough to catch it on the gauge."

Another good reason to use VMSpc. You can set an audible alarm for temp. and other gauges.

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Reply #34 – September 07, 2020, 09:53:21 pm

Every engine design reacts to being operated at high temperatures differently. Historically there have been engines that seemed bullet proof and those that reacted to a warm day with "I think I need to see a mechanic." I fear that the new computer protected engines fall into the latter category.

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Reply #35 – September 08, 2020, 07:11:45 am

Quote from: ohsonew – September 07, 2020, 07:00:25 am

Is she getting stripes or swirls???

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Larry
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Since she is a VERY patriotic Air Force brat, maybe we get her and the coach matching Thunderbird paint...

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Reply #36 – September 08, 2020, 07:16:10 am

Quote from: folivier – September 07, 2020, 08:36:25 pm

"If pulling a load and the belt comes off, the temperature will soar in just seconds so tough to catch it on the gauge."

Another good reason to use VMSpc. You can set an audible alarm for temp. and other gauges.
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I've thought about building it on an old laptop I have but honestly the ScanguageD I picked up open box for $60 can pull a lot of the same data, although not as pretty... one of these days I may pick up a cable from silver leaf.

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Reply #37 – September 08, 2020, 10:33:24 am

Quote from: ITguy – September 08, 2020, 07:16:10 am

"If pulling a load and the belt comes off, the temperature will soar in just seconds so tough to catch it on the gauge."

Another good reason to use VMSpc. You can set an audible alarm for temp. and other gauges.
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I've thought about building it on an old laptop I have but honestly the ScanguageD I picked up open box for $60 can pull a lot of the same data, although not as pretty... one of these days I may pick up a cable from silver leaf.

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Reply #38 – September 08, 2020, 11:32:25 am

Quote from: Old Toolmaker – September 07, 2020, 09:53:21 pm

Every engine design reacts to being operated at high temperatures differently. Historically there have been engines that seemed bullet proof and those that reacted to a warm day with "I think I need to see a mechanic." I fear that the new computer protected engines fall into the latter category.

Yes they do. The CAT 3208, Cummins 5.9 used in Foretravels are parent bore engines with no liners. They can be bored or bored with liners pressed in. Labor intensive. These engines will tolerate some overheating without damage.

Dry liner engines have a steel liner pressed in so it may be removed and another pressed in. Still a bit labor intensive as the liner after installation, sticks up above the deck of the block slightly and has to be milled down flat with the block. These engines will also tolerate some overheating without damage.

Wet liner engines are made so the owner/operator can change out the liners in a barn if necessary. The steel liners are inserted in the bore with shims at the bottom and then checked with a dial indicator to make sure they meet height specifications at the top of the block. Only then are the sleeves removed, seals installed and the sleeves re-installed. While not needing special equipment other than a few normal garage tools, it's still takes time to do correctly. Because of the seals at the top and bottom of the sleeves, these engines don't tolerate overheating as well. The effects of overheating may not be immediately apparent but a continued pattern of high temperatures may cause seal failure and a coolant/oil mix resulting in a $30K shop bill. 8.3 and larger Cummins, Detroit 2-cycles as well as some CATs are wet sleeve engines.

The term "throwaway engine" is only used where the cost of labor to overhaul is so high that it's cheaper to buy a new one. Unless the block is warped from overheating or a rod has gone through the side of the block, all engines can be successfully overhauled. It's just the price that determines the choice.

While it's difficult to run a diesel too hard, they can be abused with high EGTs, shutting down with high oil temperature, extended idling and overheating. This is why some engines greatly exceed the B-50 life while others need rebuilding well before they should.

Pierce

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Reply #39 – September 09, 2020, 12:38:00 pm

Diagnosis is I need to replace the hydroloic pump..

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Reply #40 – September 09, 2020, 03:03:21 pm

If this came on suddenly,post service. I would also check the T stats. and overall for air pockets.
Getting hot in that short amount of time is a symptom of a stuck T stat. Having the radiator with hot and cool spots is also a sign of poor coolant flow.,not poor fan air flow.
Good chance they are covering their but and trying to make a little more while they fix the T stat . IMHO.

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Reply #41 – September 27, 2020, 04:31:25 pm

So picked up the coach from Nac, made it to Mt. Enterprise and had a thermal shutdown.. this is fun.... engine fluids light this time... but there is coolent...

Letting it cool down and taking her back.

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Reply #42 – September 27, 2020, 07:20:56 pm

Not good. Was curious how they ts Hydraulic pump issue Scott

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Reply #43 – September 27, 2020, 07:32:14 pm

How many miles is Mr. Enterprise from Nac? Are your fans working? High speed fans? Outside temp? Does it run cooler at lower speeds? Will it cool down at idle? Assuming the pump belt tight and tensioner working OK. Transmission temp OK?

Pierce

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Reply #44 – September 27, 2020, 08:12:50 pm

Mt Enterprise is less than 22 miles from Nacogdoches. With judicious stopping/cooling down, one drive that with NO cooling fan.

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Reply #45 – September 27, 2020, 09:32:49 pm

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – September 27, 2020, 07:32:14 pm

How many miles is Mr. Enterprise from Nac? Are your fans working? High speed fans? Outside temp? Does it run cooler at lower speeds? Will it cool down at idle? Assuming the pump belt tight and tensioner working OK. Transmission temp OK?

Pierce

Pump is gear driven, no belt on ISM
Scott

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Reply #46 – September 27, 2020, 11:04:38 pm

There is a major cold front coming across Texas. Air Temps will drop with high winds expected (gusts 45).

I just looked. Just west of Dallas currently.

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Reply #47 – September 28, 2020, 10:45:06 am

How about products of combustion in the cooling system? Did they check that?

And our coach won't make 2 miles when the belt breaks for the fans.

Pierce

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Reply #48 – September 30, 2020, 06:22:12 pm

If the belts were changed , there is a remote chance that one set was installed so that something runs backwards . Maybe the water pump? It happens on cars , not often but the serpentine belts can be confusing if you dont take a pic or have a map of the routing .

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Reply #49 – September 30, 2020, 07:00:36 pm

Quote from: Protech Racing – September 30, 2020, 06:22:12 pm

If the belts were changed , there is a remote chance that one set was installed so that something runs backwards . Maybe the water pump? It happens on cars , not often but the serpentine belts can be confusing if you dont take a pic or have a map of the routing .

It's like a Detroit 2 cycle, it's internally driven so no belts. That is what I originally thought.

Pierce

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