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Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #25
My two 9k btu mini splits pull less than that at full blast if you are looking for a way to increase efficiency. I was camping yesterday and they used 5kw overnight keeping things warm with a 45°F outdoor temp.  The mini splits are also inverter drive compressors, so they "soft start" just by the way they work. You can turn them on and watch the load ramp up as it speeds up the compressor.  They also vary the load as they are running and only pull a few hundred watts once the temperature is stable. I only have 2 8D lead acid batteries and I haven't tested the run time, but the Victron runs them both without any issue.
1991 U300 Side Aisle 6V92 Silver #3897
2004 U320 40' #6246

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #26
My two 9k btu mini splits pull less than that at full blast if you are looking for a way to increase efficiency. I was camping yesterday and they used 5kw overnight keeping things warm with a 45°F outdoor temp.  The mini splits are also inverter drive compressors, so they "soft start" just by the way they work. You can turn them on and watch the load ramp up as it speeds up the compressor.  They also vary the load as they are running and only pull a few hundred watts once the temperature is stable. I only have 2 8D lead acid batteries and I haven't tested the run time, but the Victron runs them both without any issue.
Several questions here relative to our GV.  We're the heck did you put the inside units and for that matter, where are the outside ones also. Or.. are your mini's run off a single unit outside like our home is ?

  And relative to the wiring thing. When you change over to running ACs off the inverter. Doesn't that mean that now everything in the coach now runs off the inverter. ( that's probably a no brainer )    I have thought a lot about switching the LR AC to the inverter but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Robert and Susan
 1995 36' 280 WTBI 8.3 3060r
 1200 watts on the roof, 720 Ah of lithium's
 Build # 4637. Motorcade # 17599
        FMCA  # 451505
        18  Wrangler JLUR

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #27
I started marking out the roof studs today and laying a plan of attack. The roof studs are typically 25 1/2 inches on center and the ones that run lengthwise of the coach on either side are 7 feet apart I think.

I bought some 8 inch wide, 1/8 inch thick aluminum that I am going to run the length of the coach in two separate runs. This will allow me to attach that to the studs as well as the luan underneath and then I Will drive #14 tappers through it all to secure the feet of the rack. That will give me a lot more holding power than if I were to just run the mounts right into the roof. It will also help with zipper affect.  I have 10 feet for each side of the rack.

I am also going to run some steel cable diagonally from each side of the rack to help with crosswinds.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #28
Racks are up and not going anywhere. I can rock the entire RV by pulling back-and-forth on one of the rails and they don't budge an inch.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #29
This is awesome.  What's your estimate of the weight of the whole array?  Any concerns about running into axle capacity constraints?
1997 U295 36' WTBI

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #30
This is awesome.  What's your estimate of the weight of the whole array?  Any concerns about running into axle capacity constraints?
I'm always concerned about axle weights but think I'll be fine. The panels add at extra 320lbs and the batteries are only 116lbs total. I've managed to save a bit of weight here and there on things like furniture too  Won't know till I've weighed her but I'm optimistic
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #31

I bought some 8 inch wide, 1/8 inch thick aluminum that I am going to run the length of the coach in two separate runs. This will allow me to attach that to the studs as well as the luan underneath and then I Will drive #14 tappers through it all to secure the feet of the rack. That will give me a lot more holding power than if I were to just run the mounts right into the roof. It will also help with zipper affect.  I have 10 feet for each side of the rack.

How are you attaching the 8 inch wide aluminum to the roof?

What is the height of the rail above the roof?

Thx
Tim
Tim Dianics
Pam Sapienza
Vader PupZilla Labrador Canine Beast (AKA Pup)
Columbia, MO
1996 U320 4000
2021 Jeep Gladiator, Diesel

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #32

I bought some 8 inch wide, 1/8 inch thick aluminum that I am going to run the length of the coach in two separate runs. This will allow me to attach that to the studs as well as the luan underneath and then I Will drive #14 tappers through it all to secure the feet of the rack. That will give me a lot more holding power than if I were to just run the mounts right into the roof. It will also help with zipper affect.  I have 10 feet for each side of the rack.

How are you attaching the 8 inch wide aluminum to the roof?

What is the height of the rail above the roof?

Thx
Tim
#12 tappers and enternabond tape along all edges
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #33
#12 tappers and enternabond tape along all edges

Thank you.

Rail height?

Tim
Tim Dianics
Pam Sapienza
Vader PupZilla Labrador Canine Beast (AKA Pup)
Columbia, MO
1996 U320 4000
2021 Jeep Gladiator, Diesel

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Reply #34
Sorry, rails are 14" high
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #35
thank you.
Tim
Tim Dianics
Pam Sapienza
Vader PupZilla Labrador Canine Beast (AKA Pup)
Columbia, MO
1996 U320 4000
2021 Jeep Gladiator, Diesel

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #36
Well that's all she wrote. Panels are installed and I just need to wait for the sun to come out tomorrow to test everything. I ended up not trying to shoehorn an eighth panel up there because there just wasn't as much structural integrity on either end as I would have liked to support it so I have four of them in series and three of them in parallel for a total of 3185 watts.

There's just enough and at the end of the coach for me to hop up there from the ladder and I plan to use some of it for my Starlink dish. I'm beat both mentally and physically, and have no desire to ever do this at a professional level.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #37
If you don't do this professionally, how do you expect to make a small fortune from a large fortune? 

Panels look great!
1991 U300 Side Aisle 6V92 Silver #3897
2004 U320 40' #6246

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Reply #38
I know what you mean about doing that project again, my neighbors all think, I now live on the roof.
But I am getting closer to the end
1999 36 ft U270
Build 5465

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Reply #39
Looks great!

Question for you.. I believe you said in an earlier comment that the rack did not move much, if at all, when pulling on it. Are you planning to brace it side to side/ front to back? Structurally, triangles are best, as squares/rectangles can collapse. Even a cross-member from the top of the passenger side to the bottom of the driver's side works great to prevent sway.

Another note.. while I have a different brand of rack, re-torquing has been a necessity. Almost lost the front panel due to a clamp coming loose driving through Pagosa. I ended up adding some lock-tite to each clamp bolt to, hopefully, prevent the bolt from loosening.
1999 U320 WTFE #5586
2014 Subaru Forester 6sp
4000 watts of solar
650 aH @ 24v

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #40
Looks great!

Question for you.. I believe you said in an earlier comment that the rack did not move much, if at all, when pulling on it. Are you planning to brace it side to side/ front to back? Structurally, triangles are best, as squares/rectangles can collapse. Even a cross-member from the top of the passenger side to the bottom of the driver's side works great to prevent sway.

Another note.. while I have a different brand of rack, re-torquing has been a necessity. Almost lost the front panel due to a clamp coming loose driving through Pagosa. I ended up adding some lock-tite to each clamp bolt to, hopefully, prevent the bolt from loosening.

I have given the cross bracing notion a tremendous amount of thought, and have decided to wait and see what I think after our trip to Vegas. It would take a tremendous amount of force to make this rack budge at all in its current form since all of the legs Are secured into the roof studs+ the runners. It would be a pretty extreme scenario where crossbracing saves the day I think but we will see how it holds up over time.

I used Loctite on every single nut and bolt but will definitely be checking them periodically after hearing your story from the wife.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #41
Well it's 11:30am here and I'm pulling in about 2100w. I have one AC unit running and I'm still charging the batteries at about 12amps.

With the help of the awnings, I think this rig should be able to go into 100° temps and still be comfortable with just one AC unit going.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #42
Just enough room and materials left over for the Starlink bracket. I was able to configure it in such a way that the bracket I made for my jeep also fits on the coach so it's just for nuts when I want to swap back-and-forth
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #43
Well it's 11:30am here and I'm pulling in about 2100w. I have one AC unit running and I'm still charging the batteries at about 12amps.

With the help of the awnings, I think this rig should be able to go into 100° temps and still be comfortable with just one AC unit going.
Looks fantastic....I was curious about how much power you would be cranking through with that number of panels. Thanks for the update and the info!

Kevin
Kevin and Donna
2000 Foretravel U295 Build #5613
2002 Jeep Wrangler
Motorcader #18561

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #44
It all looks very nice .  Yes, you should have some sort of triangulation... If the vertical struts are tipped a wee bit, that could be enough..  If not, some gussets  should do it.   
  Looking closer. a short strut from the rail to the panels to form a triangle will suffice.  Might consider just on one side , so that the thermo change wont push the rails apart and wiggle on the roof screws.

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Reply #45
Very Kool project.  The little Starlink dish looks like a small fixed aileron at the trailing edge of your "wing".  It will help hold the rear of the coach down at speed.

I've done some rough paper napkin aerodynamic calculations and predict that the lift created by your panels at 75 mph will reduce the weight load on your tires resulting in a 0.00658% decrease in tire wear.  Driving into a stiff headwind will, of course, enhance this economic benefit (but will also adversely affect your MPG).  See diagram below:

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #46
Very Kool project.  The little Starlink dish looks like a small fixed aileron at the trailing edge of your "wing".  It will help hold the rear of the coach down at speed.

I've done some rough paper napkin aerodynamic calculations and predict that the lift created by your panels at 75 mph will reduce the weight load on your tires resulting in a 0.00658% decrease in tire wear.  Driving into a stiff headwind will, of course, enhance this economic benefit (but will also adversely affect your MPG).  See diagram below:
Who needs Saturday morning cartoons when you can do some light aerodynamics calculations instead?

here are some better photos of the full structure. Thank goodness for the rear spoiler, now if I ever need to race an old beat up tractor, I might take them in a quarter mile.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #47
Elliot. What type of starlink dishy do you have. Is it the smaller one or the $2500 Mobil one.
Robert and Susan
 1995 36' 280 WTBI 8.3 3060r
 1200 watts on the roof, 720 Ah of lithium's
 Build # 4637. Motorcade # 17599
        FMCA  # 451505
        18  Wrangler JLUR

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #48
Elliot. What type of starlink dishy do you have. Is it the smaller one or the $2500 Mobil one.
It's the $2500 one
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Elliott’s Grand Villa Solar Install

Reply #49
I went ahead and added some crossbracing on both ends of the rack where I had room.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.