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Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #25
If it has not been submerged in Salt Water, that sounds like a Bargain price. The pictures of the interior are beautiful, Outside looks nice, Pre blue def is a positive, What's not to like ? ? ? ?
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Gerry & Brenda
CHARLOTTE HARBOR, FL
1994 Grand Villa - # 4466
U300 Unihome - 6V92 Detroit
4 speed Allison - Jake Brake

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #26
Be happy to answer any questions.  I was once told there were only 6 2000 GV320 ordered as it was only made to order?  I've put close to 100k miles on mine since I bought it in 2019.  It had sat unused since 2013.  Huge learning curve if you have never owned a diesel pusher or a Foretravel but you will have so much fun with it.

Cheers!

2000 GV320 4010 build #5712  2019-?
1999 Bounder 2000-2008
Bardstown, KY
🥃The Bourbon Capital of the World🥃

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #27
Be happy to answer any questions.  I was once told there were only 6 2000 GV320 ordered as it was only made to order?  I've put close to 100k miles on mine since I bought it in 2019.  It had sat unused since 2013.  Huge learning curve if you have never owned a diesel pusher or a Foretravel but you will have so much fun with it.

Cheers!
A very nice coach.... I have some GV envy.
Robert and Susan
 1995 36' 280 WTBI 8.3 3060r
 1200 watts on the roof, 720 Ah of lithium's
 Build # 4637. Motorcade # 17599
        FMCA  # 451505
        18  Wrangler JLUR

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #28
GV #5717 here...

I thought that I checked out this coach years ago but it's got a different floorplan than I expected so I didn't...interesting to see some of the differences between my coach and this one.

Personally I'll suggest you probably won't miss the slide-i wouldn't...I also like the street side kitchen.

If it doesn't have any bulkhead issues this  looks to be a great deal! Basement looks super clean so it's probably a southern coach and I'd be optimistic it's good to go.
2000 Foretravel GV320 4010 #5717
"SuperDutyFiver" on most other boards

*** East coast based - literally "all over the east coast!"

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #29
GV #5717 here...

I thought that I checked out this coach years ago but it's got a different floorplan than I expected so I didn't...interesting to see some of the differences between my coach and this one.

Personally I'll suggest you probably won't miss the slide-i wouldn't...I also like the street side kitchen.

If it doesn't have any bulkhead issues this  looks to be a great deal! Basement looks super clean so it's probably a southern coach and I'd be optimistic it's good to go.

Thank you for the reply!  Fingers crossed on pending inspections.  Based on suggestions from this community, I believe we have the right team lined up to evaluate the coach, no later than next Tuesday.  Have a great night!
2000 GV320

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #30
Be happy to answer any questions.  I was once told there were only 6 2000 GV320 ordered as it was only made to order?  I've put close to 100k miles on mine since I bought it in 2019.  It had sat unused since 2013.  Huge learning curve if you have never owned a diesel pusher or a Foretravel but you will have so much fun with it.

Cheers!

I'm sure we'll have questions soon...thank you for offering to answer them!
2000 GV320

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #31
Thank you for the reply!  Fingers crossed on pending inspections.  Based on suggestions from this community, I believe we have the right team lined up to evaluate the coach, no later than next Tuesday.  Have a great night!
Well if you have Keith lined up, you are way ahead.  He is definitely "The guy"...
Jeff & Lisa
"Optimus"
1990 GV - #3605
U300 Unihome
6V92 Detroit

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #32
If I were 10 years younger I would have already bought that coach, a quick check of the bulkheads and off to the fuel station.
For that kind of money it's a steal.
IMHO
88 Grand Villa 36' ORED 3208 (throwaway)Cat.
 Build # 3150
Happiness is the maximum agreement of reality and desire.

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #33
If I were 10 years younger I would have already bought that coach, a quick check of the bulkheads and off to the fuel station.
For that kind of money it's a steal.
IMHO
I agree with that - if I didn't have the 2000 this would be mine... The headlights would have snagged me and I wanted a white Coach with the gray graphics... Bulkheads would not have scared me away, I used to think that they were part of a boat not motorhome! 🤣
2000 Foretravel GV320 4010 #5717
"SuperDutyFiver" on most other boards

*** East coast based - literally "all over the east coast!"

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #34
Thank you all for the replies.  Update from Cummins shop - fluid analysis for engine, genset, and transmission looked good.  They were unable to read the error codes responsible for the check engine light, possibly due to previously mentioned computer issue.  They also believe there's a problem with the ABS system and will provide more detail on that this afternoon. Keith is not available for an inspection but he has a partner or colleague who is...inspection date pending, hopefully this weekend or early next week.

One question for the group.  The RV warranty company that PPL uses does not offer warranties on coaches over 20-years old. Is anyone familiar with a warranty company that might offer a warranty on a 2000 coach? Thanks so much in advance and have a great Friday and weekend.
2000 GV320

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Reply #35
One question for the group.  The RV warranty company that PPL uses does not offer warranties on coaches over 20-years old. Is anyone familiar with a warranty company that might offer a warranty on a 2000 coach? Thanks so much in advance and have a great Friday and weekend.
In my time here on the Forum I've never heard of anyone successfully using a warranty to repair a Unicoach. Even if you could find one, I suspect it'd be ridiculously expensive. You are better off keeping $10k in the bank to self insure and having Keith give it a look-over every couple years.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #36


One question for the group.  The RV warranty company that PPL uses does not offer warranties on coaches over 20-years old. Is anyone familiar with a warranty company that might offer a warranty on a 2000 coach? Thanks so much in advance and have a great Friday and weekend.


Put the premiums for the, "Warranty Money" in a separate bank  savings account,  for when You will need repairs....
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Gerry & Brenda
CHARLOTTE HARBOR, FL
1994 Grand Villa - # 4466
U300 Unihome - 6V92 Detroit
4 speed Allison - Jake Brake

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #37
Ditto the "warranty" advice above.

You'd be surprised how many "problems" encountered with these great old coaches can be solved by DIY.  Initially, it's a steep learning curve, but we'll help you climb the slope.  Within this Forum you will have the benefit of the greatest single collection of Foretravel knowledge and expertise available anywhere in the known universe.  Questions?  We got answers.  Something breaks?  It has more than likely happened to another Forum member and the fix is documented in our archives.  Locating obscure parts for old systems?  We'll tell you our secret sources.

Paying for parts and repairs?  That's on you.  8)
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #38
I have been quiet as my plans are set in Jello, but I plan on being it the area of this coach in a couple of weeks. With all this talk it has piqued my interest, and I plan on swing by and give it a look unless it gets snapped up first.  If they changed the ECM that makes it impossible to get the total mileage and see what the flag was that caused them to change out the ECM to start with. It could have been nothing more than a billfold drain for the owner rather than a real problem.  The thing is some of the info seems to be askew and until someone that knows the Foretravel quirks like Kieth there is a lot of guessing.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #39
Ditto the "warranty" advice above.

You'd be surprised how many "problems" encountered with these great old coaches can be solved by DIY.  Initially, it's a steep learning curve, but we'll help you climb the slope.  Within this Forum you will have the benefit of the greatest single collection of Foretravel knowledge and expertise available anywhere in the known universe.  Questions?  We got answers.  Something breaks?  It has more than likely happened to another Forum member and the fix is documented in our archives.  Locating obscure parts for old systems?  We'll tell you our secret sources.

Paying for parts and repairs?  That's on you.  8)

Thank you all for the support and invaluable information.  We very much appreciate it.  Will have an update by Monday or Tuesday, at the latest.
2000 GV320

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #40
We owe everyone that helped us with this process a great deal of gratitude. Thank you to everyone who made recommendations and otherwise replied to this post. A colleague of Keith's (info available upon request and with his permission) completed a thorough inspection on Monday, after the diesel shop inspection. He believes it to be a solid coach with modest repairs and maintenance needed.  He has been phenomenal and his decades of experience as a subject matter expert on these coaches was immediately apparent. We also were able to reach the prior owner of 16-years. He was extremely helpful and had invaluable insights to offer. The question on the coach's mileage was resolved...the explanation is strange, but bottom line, the coach and its original powertrain do have almost 215,000 miles. It runs and drives very well. 

Ultimately, we made an offer today, which accounted for planned immediate repairs/maintenance, and the dealer accepted. Thank you again for all of your advice and have a great Thanksgiving!
2000 GV320

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #41
We owe everyone that helped us with this process a great deal of gratitude. Thank you to everyone who made recommendations and otherwise replied to this post. A colleague of Keith's (info available upon request and with his permission) completed a thorough inspection on Monday, after the diesel shop inspection. He believes it to be a solid coach with modest repairs and maintenance needed.  He has been phenomenal and his decades of experience as a subject matter expert on these coaches was immediately apparent. We also were able to reach the prior owner of 16-years. He was extremely helpful and had invaluable insights to offer. The question on the coach's mileage was resolved...the explanation is strange, but bottom line, the coach and its original powertrain do have almost 215,000 miles. It runs and drives very well. 

Ultimately, we made an offer today, which accounted for planned immediate repairs/maintenance, and the dealer accepted. Thank you again for all of your advice and have a great Thanksgiving!

That's awesome & congratulations!

Any GV specific questions feel free to hmu - otherwise our coaches are just about identical to a U320.

Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃
2000 Foretravel GV320 4010 #5717
"SuperDutyFiver" on most other boards

*** East coast based - literally "all over the east coast!"

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #42
Ultimately, we made an offer today, which accounted for planned immediate repairs/maintenance, and the dealer accepted. Thank you again for all of your advice and have a great Thanksgiving!

 :dance:
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #43
That is great news so welcome to the group. As far as that mileage that original owner kept the road hot so no problem with lot rot. I was sure looking forward to seeing it myself next week just to check it out for you. When you get stumped on a problem remember someone here has most likely dune been down that road and will have an answer.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #44
Thank you all for the replies.  Update from Cummins shop - fluid analysis for engine, genset, and transmission looked good.  They were unable to read the error codes responsible for the check engine light, possibly due to previously mentioned computer issue.  They also believe there's a problem with the ABS system and will provide more detail on that this afternoon. Keith is not available for an inspection but he has a partner or colleague who is...inspection date pending, hopefully this weekend or early next week.

One question for the group.  The RV warranty company that PPL uses does not offer warranties on coaches over 20-years old. Is anyone familiar with a warranty company that might offer a warranty on a 2000 coach? Thanks so much in advance and have a great Friday and weekend.

Were they unable to read anything from the ECM, or were there no codes stored? There might not be an issue with it at all. My experience has been that the codes that the engine reports are not always clear exactly what is wrong with it, and it often interpreted wrong by the techs.
You may want to look into a device to read the codes and information from the ECMs for future troubleshooting. Some of the other members can chime in as to what works well. I have the tools for this from work, and a coach that is too old to support most of it. But if you need any help troubleshooting codes or ECM issues, I'm glad to help.
1991 U300 Side Aisle 6V92 Silver #3897
2004 U320 40' #6246

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #45
Were they unable to read anything from the ECM, or were there no codes stored? There might not be an issue with it at all. My experience has been that the codes that the engine reports are not always clear exactly what is wrong with it, and it often interpreted wrong by the techs.
You may want to look into a device to read the codes and information from the ECMs for future troubleshooting. Some of the other members can chime in as to what works well. I have the tools for this from work, and a coach that is too old to support most of it. But if you need any help troubleshooting codes or ECM issues, I'm glad to help.

Thank you for offering to help.  Repeated scan last night. Not the most sophisticated device, admittedly. These are the scanner codes.  Thank you for any insight you have!

# - ID / FM / CNT
1 - 128 / 0 / 0
2 - 10 / 0 / 0
3 - 20 / 0 / 0
4 - 5 / 0/ 0
5 - 7 / 0 / 0
2000 GV320

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #46
What scanner did you use to get these?
1991 U300 Side Aisle 6V92 Silver #3897
2004 U320 40' #6246

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #47
Thanks for the reply.  It was a fairly inexpensive and simple scanner called a ScanGauge. Thanks for any help you can offer!
2000 GV320

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Reply #48
Update - We have our 2000 GV320 at the Cummins shop right now. They identified the likely source of the CEL and a couple of other issues, primarily involving low battery voltage. It appears that the alternator (Wilson 90-01-4721N) and battery isolator (Cole Hersee Co. 48160 isolator for heavy duty applications, 12-36VDC 200A) were recently replaced. The tech informed us that the isolator is a 3-stud solid state isolator which should be connected only to a solid state alternator. The current alternator is a 180A variable alternator with an internal voltage regulator. Per the isolator manufacturer, this alternator is incorrect for the model and can cause issues. With the isolator in place, alternator voltage was low. When the isolator was bypassed, the alternator voltage was normal. The tech believes the alternator is functional and the isolator has failed. He recommended replacing the failed isolator with another Cole Hersee Co. model (48162), which he believes be configured to work with the current alternator.
 
Also, they were able to identify different fault codes than I previously posted.  They used a Cummins Insite scanner to identify the faults listed below.  The tech used Cummins Quickserve to determine that the faults could be caused by insufficient battery voltage.

1. 245 x8 active Fan Control Circuit - Voltage Below Normal or Shorted to Low Source
2. 289 x35 active Idle Shutdown Vehicle Accessories Relay Driver Circuit - Root Cause Not Known

Thank you all for your input and suggestions!



2000 GV320

Re: 2000 Grand Villa M4000 GV320

Reply #49
Update - We have our 2000 GV320 at the Cummins shop right now. It appears that the alternator (Wilson 90-01-4721N) and battery isolator (Cole Hersee Co. 48160 isolator for heavy duty applications, 12-36VDC 200A) were recently replaced. The tech informed us that the isolator is a 3-stud solid state isolator which should be connected only to a solid state alternator. The current alternator is a 180A variable alternator with an internal voltage regulator. Per the isolator manufacturer, this alternator is incorrect for the model and can cause issues. With the isolator in place, alternator voltage was low. When the isolator was bypassed, the alternator voltage was normal. The tech believes the alternator is functional and the isolator has failed. He recommended replacing the failed isolator with another Cole Hersee Co. model (48162), which he believes be configured to work with the current alternator.
The tech is correct when he recommends the 48162 isolator, but I think he is incorrect in saying the 48160 isolator has "failed".  It didn't fail - it was just improperly paired with the Wilson alternator.  The Wilson 90-01-4721 alternator is a clone (or rebuilt) version of a Delco 28Si alternator.  The 28Si will not turn on unless it sees 12V on the B+ output terminal.  If this model alternator is connected directly to a battery (like when you bypassed the isolator) then it works fine.  BUT, when it is connected to the center post on the isolator, it can't see any 12V signal, because the isolator diodes prevent voltage from the battery posts getting to the center post.  So, the alternator will not turn on.  The solution, in this case, is to use a isolator that includes a separate "ignition terminal".  You connect a wire to this terminal that is hot only with ignition switch in ON position.  The "ignition terminal" on the isolator supplies the required 12V signal to the isolator alternator post, which will then tell the alternator to turn on.

I can't tell (from my search) if the Wilson 90-01-4721 alternator has a "sense" terminal.  If it DOES NOT have a sense terminal, then it will still not work correctly on your coach, even if they replace the isolator with the 48162.  If it DOES have a sense terminal, then it will work with the 48162.  The sense terminal on the alternator should be connected to a 12V source that that reads CHASSIS battery voltage and is HOT all the time.

If the Wilson alternator does NOT have a "sense" terminal, then I would recommend a different replacement isolator.  The Victron ArgoFET 200-2AC has the requisite "ignition" terminal AND, in contrast to diode isolators, has virtually zero voltage drop between the alternator post and the battery posts.

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1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"